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People who call Fiora "braindead easy" are disgusting and should try her.

JamesTheMage17··12 votes·1,943 views

How people love hating on Fiora, am I right or am I right? Fiora is definetly an interesting champion that uses a unique mechanic that's totally different from all other champions, but is she OP or not? And regardless, does she require skill or not?

My personal opinion: Fiora is moderately overpowered but can be countered with skill Fiora requires high skill, I have no idea why people say she's easy.

Let's not get into why I think she's sort of OP because I could be wrong, but here's why I think she has an EXTREMELY high skillcap:

1/3: Timing her W The skill is extremely slow and has a cast time, but it acts as a block, so you have to predict stuff BEFORE it happens in order to block something, aside from predicting disables to get a better effect from the skill.

2/3: Believe it or not, it's very hard to hit all directions on her R: She has low CC since her W is hard to hit, making it hard to get all directions in time. You're gonna say she has a speed boost to help, aren't you? The enemy can do one of the following two things easily to escape:

  1. Flash away, instantly removing the speed boost to stop her in her tracks
  2. Cc Fiora and escape the ring while she is disabled. It's a very simple escape and requires Fiora to know what her opponent is going to do and when to even hit one vital.

3/3: Fiora is extremely predictable

Passive: Let's enemy know where Fiora will try to strike Q: N/A W: Slow with a cast time E: Let's them know when Fiora is gonna crit them and when to run from her to avoid it. R: Literally points out where Fiora is gonna try and attack you. R: Let's the enemy know where Fiora must go next to heal

Fiora may be overpowered, but she has a high skill cap! (Not a Fiora main talking, not even a Fiora player talking.) Before you hate on Fioras, maybe play her yourself? It can't hurt!

42 Comments

LostFr0st6 votes

My only gripe with Fiora is her W being a flat 50% attspd slow instead of scaling with ult lvl or something.

Its also mildly annoying that the outer ring of her ult doesn't match up with her getting the movespeed buff (she's supposed to only get it while inside the ring, but the edge seems very forgiving)

Hibeki6 votes

I really disagree with most of these points, I find the amount of true damage just given to her is so excessive that it's annoying.

Then we get down to the mechanics itself on the kit. The Q just is so inconsistent on both ends, where it will hit nothing despite them being within collision distance, or it will also hit a champion farther than 600 away, it's ridiculous the amount of leniency it gives you sometimes.

Also, the passive and ult is so lenient on the direction you can hit them it's absolutely ridiculous. The hit is relative to the victims positioning to Fiora, and not vice versa. Explanation:

Fiora passive SHOULD be working like THIS: You face them in that direction and basic attack for the damage https://i.imgur.com/j4dJAtH.png

However, most of the time it works like this https://i.imgur.com/UZSfdda.png

It just is so frustrating to play against as the opposing laner as there is basically nothing you can do about it. Changing the direction of your model should also change the weakpoint, IE turning around should move it 180 degrees. It makes no sense that an 'Armor weakpoint' maintains the same relative position no matter which direction you're facing. Allowing me to turn around relative to where Fiora is puts the control of my weakpoint in my own hands rather than hers, which is how it SHOULD be. If you have a weakpoint in battle, you'll be sure not to have it exposed.

So sadly, I don't think she's in the braindead category, but I do think the amount of leniency it gives makes it such a little amount of skill to play it's embarassing

TheIronRevenant1 votes

I've played fiora a bunch before, I've NEVER seen a vital proc from the side like that with q

Sightless662 votes

Changing the direction of your model should also change the weakpoint,

Too easy of a counterplay. That would be a viable option if the game had a turn speed. Without it, you'd have the vital position change far too rapidly and far too often for Fiora to react. There wouldn't really be anything for Fiora to aim at. She'd be almost as well off using Q in a random direction and hoping you move the vital into is as she would be actively trying to hit it.

Facing is just generally a terrible system in this game. We're not really in a good position to use it as a design mechanism. We've only got two instances of it in the game right now, and neither is exactly a compelling mechanic (particularly not Shaco's backstab, with how easily mitigated it is).

Allowing me to turn around relative to where Fiora is puts the control of my weakpoint in my own hands rather than hers, which is how it SHOULD be.

How it should be is that you and Fiora both have some degree of control over whether or not the vital procs. Right now, that is true. You can keep the vital away from her, and she can try to position so that she'll be in a good place to hit it. Your proposed solution would take away almost all of Fiora's control, because of how rapidly and how often that vital would change in position. It removes interaction because FIora would have almost no input into whether or not the vital hits.

It is ultimately Fiora's mechanic. She needs to have a decent amount of control over whether or not it is successful. It can't be almost entirely in the enemy's hands.

Spoofghoul5 votes

due she is easy i have played her after the rework

like real easy

you dont even have to q remotely close to a vital to proc it

its super easy

the riposte is fucking dumb too you can block everythign from ignites & exhausts to flying in malphites and fucking drophacks because reasons

also if you dont actually use it to block importants stuff you still win because heavy movemenbt and attackspeed slow

also she is manaless well not technically but then again tecnhically she is i have tried to go oom with her and its not possible you regen your mana almost as fast as you can use it and its going to take like 20 minutes to actually go oom . . .

She isn't hard to play at all you can dodge most stuff with the press of a button whilst dealing true damage healing and gaining a movepseed boost. Ad if you ever find yourself unable to dodge everything with the press of a button you use another button And if your target is too tanky you press another button And if they are squishy there is also a burst button

And most of it is targeted Q/vitals are auto target as long as its used remotely in the correct direction W isn't point and click but is still easy to use a sa reactionary cockblock tool, if you want to use it to max potential well that would require a bit of aiming and predicting like most champions ahve to with theri abilities E is a steroid which helps with burst R you click on a target and now you can more easily kill them with q spam

Astôlfo1 votes

I can't tell if you're joking or not.

Lady Hammerlock1 votes

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due she is easy i have played her after the rework

like real easy

you dont even have to q remotely close to a vital to proc it

its super easy

the riposte is fucking dumb too you can block everythign from ignites & exhausts to flying in malphites and fucking drophacks because reasons

also if you dont actually use it to block importants stuff you still win because heavy movemenbt and attackspeed slow

also she is manaless well not technically but then again tecnhically she is i have tried to go oom with her and its not possible you regen your mana almost as fast as you can use it and its going to take like 20 minutes to actually go oom . . .

She isn't hard to play at all you can dodge most stuff with the press of a button whilst dealing true damage healing and gaining a movepseed boost. Ad if you ever find yourself unable to dodge everything with the press of a button you use another button And if your target is too tanky you press another button And if they are squishy there is also a burst button

And most of it is targeted Q/vitals are auto target as long as its used remotely in the correct direction W isn't point and click but is still easy to use a sa reactionary cockblock tool, if you want to use it to max potential well that would require a bit of aiming and predicting like most champions ahve to with theri abilities E is a steroid which helps with burst R you click on a target and now you can more easily kill them with q spam

You have no mana problems with her? like she has mana problems dude,she just does,its even worse when duelling targets with lifesteal or they are a tank mid game

JamesTheMage172 votes

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due she is easy i have played her after the rework

like real easy

you dont even have to q remotely close to a vital to proc it

its super easy

the riposte is fucking dumb too you can block everythign from ignites & exhausts to flying in malphites and fucking drophacks because reasons

also if you dont actually use it to block importants stuff you still win because heavy movemenbt and attackspeed slow

also she is manaless well not technically but then again tecnhically she is i have tried to go oom with her and its not possible you regen your mana almost as fast as you can use it and its going to take like 20 minutes to actually go oom . . .

She isn't hard to play at all you can dodge most stuff with the press of a button whilst dealing true damage healing and gaining a movepseed boost. Ad if you ever find yourself unable to dodge everything with the press of a button you use another button And if your target is too tanky you press another button And if they are squishy there is also a burst button

And most of it is targeted Q/vitals are auto target as long as its used remotely in the correct direction W isn't point and click but is still easy to use a sa reactionary cockblock tool, if you want to use it to max potential well that would require a bit of aiming and predicting like most champions ahve to with theri abilities E is a steroid which helps with burst R you click on a target and now you can more easily kill them with q spam

You just described yasuo.

TheIronRevenant1 votes

ya, and id rather vs Fiora then Yasuo

ReshiKillim4 votes

As someone who likes playing Sion, I completely loathe playing against Fiora.

JamesTheMage172 votes

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As someone who likes playing Sion, I completely loathe playing against Fiora.

It's fine that you don't like playing against her and I respect you for not shouting out rage about the enemy, ex "FIORA IS FUCKING EASY", "FIORA IS FKIN BRAINDEAD", "BROKEN AND STUPID" you get the point. Thank you for sharing your opinion without raging.

Ralanr3 votes

It makes sense to hate a champion that pretty much directly counters yours.

Personally I just think she should never be allowed to be viable with a heavy durability build. Many still remember the hell that was "Tank/Bruiser Fiora"

WoonStruck4 votes

Its almost like the people saying she's not easy are in bronze...

...oh...wait.

JamesTheMage171 votes

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Its almost like the people saying she's not easy are in bronze...

...oh...wait.

Goto hell. I don't play ranked matches, and you should find another thing to actually prove me wrong instead of saying I'm a lower rank than you.

WoonStruck2 votes

The amount of MS, slows, and dashes via Q effectively self-enables her passive/ult. Not to mention the safety it all provides in trading. The predictability of her passive's direction allows you to abuse this for cheesy kills early as well in many cases if the enemy laner so much as thinks about CSing.

The large majority of the cast has a significant wind-up animation on hard CC that prevents them from moving out of your parry range, and allows you to reliably stun with it, provided someone is throwing out CC in the first place. That's the only skill area that's unique to Fiora. Definitely not enough to call her 'hard'.

E does not raise her skill ceiling in the slightest. Its more damage and a slow that you can layer with the rest of your kit to effectively mitigate CDs while chasing.

R is basically your passive, but with 4 areas you can hit, and constant bonus MS to make it even easier than normal. You get a heal if you hit 4, and you can use Q to hit more than one at once.

She has a really simple kit and is actually very easy to play, especially due to her kit allowing her to be both aggressive and mitigate the impact of any mistakes she makes.

The only way one can consider her 'hard' is because she has a skill you actually have to time and she's melee; this game isn't exactly accommodating for most melee champions building damage.

She's not even over-powered. She's still easy, though.

Weiner the Pooh1 votes

Yes in concept she is. Executing it is completely different.

Sejeo3 votes

I totally think the same thing on yasuo.

Astôlfo3 votes

People like complaining and whining instead of actually learning.

IS3E531E3F9643913 votes

if anything her W is the trickiest to pull off at the right time.

against the average player fiora isn't that difficult to play, Q near the vital point and you proc it simple as that

Pierce The Veal3 votes

I have tried her.

She's one of the easiest champions I have ever played. Even udyr is harder and takes more thinking to play. Only thing that comes close to needing a little skill is her w, but it lasts so fucking long that any skill it might have needed is negated anyway.

Astôlfo2 votes

So, you're saying Fiora is easy and that Udyr is more difficult than her? Alright bud. Thanks for letting me know your opinion is completely worthless. Also, today I learned 0.75s is incredibly, super duper long.

Pierce The Veal3 votes

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So, you're saying Fiora is easy and that Udyr is more difficult than her? Alright bud. Thanks for letting me know your opinion is completely worthless. Also, today I learned 0.75s is incredibly, super duper long.

0.75 seconds is enough to block an wntire assassin's burst, and thousands of damage and cc abilities.

JamesTheMage172 votes

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0.75 seconds is enough to block an wntire assassin's burst, and thousands of damage and cc abilities.

Alright so they just go from a... Are you ready for this?.... A DIFFERENT direction because she can't do anything while she's using it. If that doesn't work.. Ready?... WAIT IT OUT. 0.75 seconds, you can wait, trust me.

Pierce The Veal2 votes

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Alright so they just go from a... Are you ready for this?.... A DIFFERENT direction because she can't do anything while she's using it. If that doesn't work.. Ready?... WAIT IT OUT. 0.75 seconds, you can wait, trust me.

It also has an attack speed slow built in, just in case, you know, they wait it out.

USG Failsawce3 votes

She IS braindead easy.

Not because of the mechanics required to play her (which aren't exactly super complicated to begin with), but because of the sheer margin of room for error she has being absolutely tremendous.

Only Play Darius2 votes

Same with Yasuo

WoonStruck2 votes

I have tried her. It was braindead easy.

At least Riven is a little more intricate. Both accomplish about the same thing.

Astôlfo2 votes

I can't tell if you're joking or not.

Pauguster2 votes

I agree that while her mechanics are simple enough, all of the little nuances in her kit are hard to manage, such as the priority her Q uses to select its target and the way her W works. Also, she's so easy to counter if you play smart. Her ult lets her out trade easily, but it can be done away with if the opponent simply walks away. I mean, don't get me wrong she is strong and she's a nuisance in lane, but once it gets to late game you have to be very skilled to make good use of her.

WoonStruck1 votes

Nobody decent is going to use her ult if she can't follow-up on it unless the enemy uses summoners or something.

There is no 'walking away' because she gains a significant MS boost, slows you with 2 different abilities, and has spammable dashes, provided they hit anything at all.

Pauguster1 votes

But most champions are mobile enough to escape the slows and if they aren't mobile enough then they at least have a fighting chance at dueling her. I'm not saying its a useless ultimate, I'm saying it's not the end-all.

WoonStruck1 votes

Not really. Please tell me which champions she usually faces are mobile enough to escape the slows.

Among the top laners that can't, do tell me which can actually duel her, especially if you're talking about Fiora ulting. You'll find that the vast majority cannot fight her and are forced to farm under turret or wait out ganks, with the exception of the bad Fioras that try so hard to harass that they're eating tower shots.

The entire reason Fiora is so abusive, and part of the reason she got nerfed, is because she is so incredibly good at chasing/dueling due to the way the majority of top laners function.

The excuse you're trying to use in her favor is exactly the opposite of what her current strengths, and even one of the reasons she got nerfed, suggest.

Pauguster1 votes

Yeah, dueling and split pushing is kind of her niche. Every champion has a niche. However, while she may be difficult to face, I'd argue that her late game is still not super unless you're really skilled with her. And if you're not an idiot you won't let her sit there and ult you, for the record. You might take loads of damage but that's called trading and she will be down an ult. You just have to fight her on your terms. She's snowbally and if she gets ahead she's a pain, but if she gets behind there's really not much she can do. Crazy, almost like any other champion. But Fiora suffers even more from this because she lacks reliable cc and can't build very tanky. She's a hyper carry, but not unbalanced.

Darkslayer852 votes

I'm tired of this shit.

Fiora has a LOW skill FLOOR, but a HIGH skill CEILING.

The Loveless2 votes

Hitting all 4 vitals during her ult is ridiculously easy. I get a MS buff off the bat, and her lounge seems to automatically put me where ever I want to go, even on the other side of an enemy.

I'm not gonna say braindead easy...but there's nothing hard about pressing R on you and hitting all vitals with reduced Q cooldown, which automatically hits as long as I'm near you. I literally watch you run as that last vital is on the far side from me, but I move my mouse to the opposite end and press Q and Fiora covers that entire distance to then appear in front of you and proc the heal.

The fact she used to (or still can?) be built with bruiser items and still kill anything is what's truly disgusting. Plus she's kind of boring to play now. I had more fun with the first iteration of Fiora.

PermabannedGaren2 votes

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Fiora is moderately overpowered

Stopped reading tbh.

She's adequate at best.

Calabok1 votes

but she's a bimbo.

Alpha Samsuni1 votes

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Before you hate on Fioras, maybe play her yourself? It can't hurt!

directions unclear, bought tear on garen

garren91 votes

The same people who call Zed easy.

warpenguin5551 votes

i have played her, shes not really THAT hard but it can take a bit to figure out what you are doing.

TyrekGoldenspear1 votes

I get dumpstered by her every time I lane against her, but I'm a sucker for her French accent. I can't hate her.

Getcuxcd1 votes

honestly people have no right to complain about fiora while riven is so stronger fuck id rather face a fiora anytime she dont have no animation cancel bugs and is actually DEALABLE with ganks unlike riven

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