If you blocked Caits trap with a morg shield, she shouldnt be able to get the empowered auto on you.

JamesTheMage17·3/7/2017, 3:12:23 AM·251 votes·5,560 views

So caits passive states (and im quoting this),

"On trapped or netted targets, Caitlyn's headshot attack range is doubled."

If you blocked her trap with a shield, you are not trapped, and therefore Caitlyn should not be able to headshot you at double range.

If it said trap REVEALED targets, this would be totally different. But it doesn't. It says trapped targets and if you are not trapped then you are not activating her attack. So why do you?

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It Hertz When IP3/7/2017, 5:04:36 AM30 votes

Morgana's Black Shield only negates crowd control, it doesn't prevent non-crowd control effects.

Shuyin1783/7/2017, 3:29:04 AM12 votes

Cait's traps apply a mark when set-off, even after players are freed from a trap's CC they are still marked afterwards to be sniped so even when not trapped it's still a thing.

Sexy Jack Rabbit3/7/2017, 7:44:00 AM10 votes

Black shield blocks CC and absorbs magic damage. Is does not protect you from other spell effects.

Kantan3/7/2017, 10:54:53 PM5 votes

Morgana's black shield blocks CC, not the headshot. "Trapped," quote on quote, is a "mark" instead of an actual cc. Her shield negates CC, not the effects.

AFilthyCaitMain3/7/2017, 3:20:06 AM4 votes

Because the root is the crowd control, so as the ability does, it removes it. But Caitlyn can still Headshot you because that's not a crowd control. Besides if they did, morgana could easily abuse it by walking on a trap with a shield and have no consequence, basically making Caitlyn's E completely useless, which is very unfair as it's one of her main sources of damage in the laning phase.

P0IS0N IVY3/8/2017, 12:47:03 AM3 votes

Morgana's shield blocks cc only. I'm ok with this interaction, but Caitlin's tooltip should be changed to match.

Cosnirak3/7/2017, 12:13:52 PM3 votes

I get your nitpick about the wording of the tooltip, and I fully support changing it to make the interaction clearer. But I do NOT want Black Shield to prevent the rest of what Cait's traps do.

It's bad for game health to have it prevent it all. Why? Because then you can justify Cait's traps if they are overpowered by pointing to Morgana as a counter. Also Morgana becomes a counter to Cait, making champion ban/select more impactful in a direct this champion vs that champion hard counter way, instead of the healthy general sense of soft countering overall strategies that adds depth. That leads to increases in Morgana bans and support picks (which as a Morgana main I personally don't want) as well tying their win and play rates and eventually balancing together.

If Cait's traps are over powered they should be nerfed. If Morgana's black shield is under powered it should be buffed. I'm not saying either is the case, I am saying those things are better left independent of each other.

Mechakaiser3/7/2017, 6:19:29 AM3 votes

Riot: Yes, we should definitely do that. "Tries to hide Mordekaiser bugs and miserably fails"

Acheron163/9/2017, 12:59:11 PM2 votes

I disagree, Morgana's shield is already broken as it is and it still blocks the snare portion of the trap.

What you're proposing is a spell-shield effect, where the trap's effect (everything of it) is nullified, like it happens with Banshee's Veil, Edge of Night or Sivir's Spell-shield, where both the snare and the mark are "eaten".

Dont want to get Headshotted? Dont stand on the traps while Cait is close by.

58697132DEL13/7/2017, 5:02:46 AM2 votes

Leave Cait alone there's only like 4 good ADCs right now lol.

SkZ DoPe3/7/2017, 12:50:53 PM2 votes

Sivir's E or item 3814 is that kind of spellshield you need, Morgana doesn't protect you from spells, only from CC

Vouloir Oublier3/7/2017, 3:51:30 PM2 votes

Morg E shields from magic damage and disables so that's why she can walk right over them with her E on, but in cait's W description says, "sets traps that enemies can spring immobilizing them" morgana E prevented the immobilization...but she still sprung the trap by walking over it; also it makes the trap springing animation which is how cait W activates & targets things, as well as it being physical dmg that her shield doesn't protect from [slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

CrazFight 3/7/2017, 8:53:54 PM2 votes

As a cait main I do agree with this, I always found it a little weird. At the same time I don't want the game to have scuft incosistancy, so would that mean when Thresh Q's someone morg has shielded on, that he shouldn't be able to actually connect but instead just disappear.

Ad Astra per Asp3/8/2017, 12:08:11 AM1 votes

I remember when morg's black shield used to block this kind of stuff too, like Kennen's stacks on auto attacking so you could prevent him from even building stacks to stun you when your shield was off. They removed it in part due to that matchup iirc.

Iźuku Midoriya3/8/2017, 12:48:01 AM1 votes

Does this also happen if morg black shields the net?

Mr Killalot3/8/2017, 10:51:21 PM1 votes

Stop being dense OP. Let me present to you the actual descriptions and some critical thinking. Caitlyn: "Headshot Every few basic attacks, or against a target she has trapped or netted, Caitlyn will fire a headshot dealing bonus damage that scales with her critical strike chance. On trapped or netted targets, Caitlyn's Headshot attack range is doubled."

"Yordle Snap Trap Cost: 20 Mana Range: 800 Caitlyn sets a trap to find sneaky yordles. When sprung, the trap reveals and immobilizes the enemy champion for 1.5 seconds. Sets traps that an enemy Champion can spring, immobilizing them for 2 seconds and revealing them for a short duration.Traps last for 90 seconds. 3/3/4/4/5 traps may be active at once.Trapped enemies take an additional 30/70/110/150/190 (+0) increased damage from Headshot."

Morgana: "Black Shield Cost: 50 Mana Range: 800 Places a protective barrier around an allied champion, absorbing magical damage and disables until penetrated or the shield dissipates. Shields an allied Champion for 5 seconds. The shield absorbs 70/140/210/280/350 (+70% Ability Power) magic damage and prevents disables until it breaks."

No where in Caitlyn's description does it say they need to be immobolized to be trapped. It simply says that enemy champions spring the trap. So while Morgana's black shield stops the immobilization (since it's the only "disable" thats part of the trap) it doesn't stop everything else from happening. It's a similar interaction to Thresh's Q with the black shield. Thresh's Q "binds an enemy in chains" and also stuns them. The binded chains are not contingent on the target being stunned. Since the binded chains are not an immobilizong effect, they still happen, which is why he stays tethered to a target that has a black shield.

Also, trapped doesn't directly mean "physically immobolized". For instance, you can be trapped in a marriage if your spouse refuses to sign the divorce papers, so there goes that argument too. And it clearly says in the description it reveals the target, so idk what you're even getting at.

LocatedEagle2323/7/2017, 11:44:50 PM1 votes

No, the ability says if you step on her trap, she can headshot you. That's a passive of the ability. Like would be like morgana's shield blocking ignite's vision....