Would it break Varus to have the same AA range as Ashe?

IxtaliKing·Jul 18, 2016·12 votes·1,399 views

Would that be too much on Varus?

37 Comments

CrazFight Jul 18, 20162 votes

I mean... he doesn't really need the buff sooo...

IxtaliKingJul 18, 20161 votes

It was a question, not a suggestion.

CrazFight Jul 18, 20161 votes

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It was a question, not a suggestion.

that was a answer O_o

IxtaliKingJul 18, 20161 votes

Lol okay so your answer is he doesn't really need the buff sooo... it would break him?

AwhegarkJul 18, 20161 votes

It probably would. Varus already has an ability that increases his range. Combine this with his ult, and he becomes extremely safe to poke or just kill you from a safe distance.

CasterGilgameshJul 18, 20164 votes

varus cant increase his range thats false information his spells dont count as auto attacks as they dont apply on hit affects

Voluug13Jul 18, 20161 votes

Ashe has an ability with infinite range. Give her melee aa range as compensation nerf then!

CasterGilgameshJul 18, 20164 votes

like hell varus doesnt need a bufff.. https://www.champion.gg/champion/Varus he spots one of the lowest play rates at 1.72% with a 48.65% his mains of all mains cant even keep a 50% win rate as an adc dont even say that varus is better mid he has a 47.8% win rate and a 1.61% play rate your statement that varus is in need of a buff is wrong

Shrek LuigiJul 18, 20161 votes

His winrate as a midlaner amongst Plat+ players with 125+ Varus games under their belt is almost 60%. He has a low general winrate & playrate because he has a tremendously high skillcap and very obvious weaknesses.

He definitely does not need a buff. The only people who think he needs a buff are the people who cant land his skillshots, or rush a manamune and wonder why they can't swap AA's with Caitlyn in the botlane, or didn't get the 101 on proper positioning with immobile Champs. If Varus' AA range was increased then it would be that much easier to proc Blight stacks and straight-up erase people in lane with a few skill rotations.

Your entire notion of Varus is based on your inability to comprehend his champion.gg page. You don't have the right to accuse other people of being wrong.

CasterGilgameshJul 18, 20161 votes

.......i hope you know i played him for a while and that he was one of my biggest masteries (replaced him with Lissandra ) varus suffers from the fact every other adc will do his job better you want tank shred adc Vayne she gets true damage you want mixed damage adc Ezreal Corki plus these two have mobility in their kits long range poke? Caitlyn CC and an engage ability Ashe varus passive is a waste of a passive.Yes...yes he does need buffs there is no reason to pick varus out side of just liking him he needs something to be good at the least riot could do is increase his attack range while he has his passive up and let him proc his passive from procing his blight stacks thus he could use his worthless passive and it would fit with his Caster like adc identity

Shrek LuigiJul 21, 20161 votes

I agree that his kit is all over the place and lacks cohesiveness, but his Q is the second highest-ranged standard ability in the game--and technically has the best damage-to-range ratio of any other single standard ability--and that alone makes him viable. There are very few ranged champions who can safely deal as much damage in a single skill rotation than he does.

He isn't supposed to overzealously swap AA's with his lane-opponent, which is why he's never going to be a top tier botlane ADC, but he's an astoundingly strong midlaner to date. Increasing his autoattack range would make him downright oppressive for other midlane Champs to deal with!

100T iLLJul 18, 20162 votes

sure you could increase his range, because his damage is still ass

weeaboomerJul 18, 20161 votes

That's like asking Lucian to get his 600 range back.

IxtaliKingJul 18, 20161 votes

Omg Lucian once had 600 range? :O

CasterGilgameshJul 18, 20161 votes

yah its true lucain wasnt always "low range"

BloodyTomponJul 18, 20161 votes

Yes. It very likely would. Range is deceptively OP.

AnagsJul 18, 20161 votes

Ashe would still be better in pretty much everyway. Varus is cool and can be strong but you need massive peel

BhagswagJul 18, 20161 votes

I think his 575 fits him well. He has a really good poke ability that fits greatly with his mid-high AA range. His downfall is mobility. Like Ashe, he can only slow a little or waste his ult to run away.

IxtaliKingJul 18, 20161 votes

It was his mobility that made me feel like maybe he should have the same range as Ashe, just not sure that range on his kit in particular would be too much.

CasterGilgameshJul 18, 20161 votes

if anything Varus needs Caitlyn range autos to be any good honestly its sad riot left him in this current state where every other adc is just about better and has their own real nitch plus not to mention his passive is almost as worthless as the fake passive Lissandra has or the passive that Talon

IxtaliKingJul 18, 20161 votes

I was surprised that riot did so little to him in the Marksmen update, I think he has quite a lot of untapped potential.

SwiftKitten88Jul 18, 20161 votes

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I was surprised that riot did so little to him in the Marksmen update, I think he has quite a lot of untapped potential.

Syndra SO MUCH UNTAPPED POWER!!!

IxtaliKingJul 18, 20161 votes

Haha I was actually thinking of her when I said it too xD

CasterGilgameshJul 18, 20162 votes

ikr i was so hyped that maybe riot would do something to his passive like make it more usable but nope...he doesn't even benefit from crits since most of his damage and power budget is shoved into his spells

redfeenixJul 18, 20161 votes

She uses a composite bow, Varus has a longbow. It makes sense they different ranges

CasterGilgameshJul 18, 20162 votes

then in hind sight wouldnt varus have longer range? since he does have a longbow

redfeenixJul 18, 20161 votes

I thought composite bows were way stronger / larger ranges. Wtf do I know about archery though.

How about ash shoots really light icicles so that's why it can travel further than Varus arrows

TikailJul 19, 20161 votes

Icicles don't bend and curve, the only reason arrows can travel the distance they do.

Composite bows also offer no practical advantage in a non-mounted scenario since the arrow velocity is the same until you get to the extreme ends of the comparison.

I do offer you this however, longbows have a very specific technique required to fly the arrow the distance that made the longbow famous. The technique is silly looking and impractical in any situation where your enemy can quickly close distance with you as it reduces the number of arrows you're flying and your mobility as you're constantly moving yourself around in a small spot.

So you could say that Varus is trading distance for mobility and attack speed, which he has a deceptively good amount of both. 5 move speed is still 5 more movement than the standard ADC, and he has a native +51% attack speed through leveling alone. These are solid numbers considering he has great scaling, built in GW, and a detonate.

redfeenixJul 19, 20161 votes

Lmao! Thanks for this I had a great time reading v this post :D . Awesome stuff plus I learned new things. Thank you for sharing !

Slamurai JackJul 18, 20161 votes

Given his long AF auto animation, probably not. I'd prefer a faster auto animation before a range increase though.

Nick Da ChipJul 18, 20161 votes

For an AD play style I think it might be too much. He still may not be broken but it would be a little more obnoxious to lane against, especially for mid laners I would imagine.

If he had a scaling aa range based off AP I think it would help out that play style quite a bit without being op.

IxtaliKingJul 19, 20161 votes

I can imagine that would be pretty obnoxious for mid lane