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Mages Aren't the Problem; AP Itemization is.

tieger05··5 votes·488 views

AP Itemization offers no diversity to different Classes of AP Champions on this game. This is probably why Riot's having such a hard time balancing AP Mages and Assassins (Even before the Mage and Assassin rework). AD Itemization is an example of an ideal standard of what the AP Itemization should be like right now. We have items for Marksmen, Bruisers, Juggernauts, ETC. You don't see a Caitlyn building Frozen Mallet, or a Riven Building Statikk.

However, Almost 90% of Mid Laners build items like item 3135 item 3089 item 3100 . Not Convinced? Lets compare 2 AP Mid Laners that are completely different: Lux and Diana. Ones a ranged Burst, the other is an AP Diver. This is what they build Most of the timne

Lux builds item 3165 item 3020 item 3135 item 3089 item 3157 item 3285 Diana builds item 3115 item 3020 item 3135 item 3089 item 3157 item 3027

FOUR CORE ITEMS. These 2 COMPLETELY Different Champions share FOUR core items.

TLDR; Not all AP Champions are burst Mages. We need more Diversity for the different classes of AP Champions we have.

Thank you.

8 Comments

HeresyHorus1 votes

U wouldn't hear complaints about Mage items, even when they lack in diversity, if they were as effective as item 3031 item 3087 item 3094 rush.

Almost 99% of ADC players rush the same build every game, do u hear them complain about diversity ? ...

Of course No, cuz it is damn effective.

I usually rush item 3031 item 3046 item 3812 on every ADC.

Do i complain about diversity ? ... No

tieger051 votes

I don't think you bothered to read my post.

Of course you would rush those items on an ADC because they're effective on ADCs. However almost all ap carries build the same, regardless of their class

rhintheminstrel2 votes

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U wouldn't hear complaints about Mage items, even when they lack in diversity, if they were as effective as item 3031 item 3087 item 3094 rush.

Almost 99% of ADC players rush the same build every game, do u hear them complain about diversity ? ...

Of course No, cuz it is damn effective.

I usually rush item 3031 item 3046 item 3812 on every ADC.

Do i complain about diversity ? ... No

You do know that almost all of the items you listed were recently buffed while almost all AP items were gutted (item 3116 , item 3089), expensive (item 3285, item 3089,), too niche (item 3115), became more defensive(item 3157, item 3102) and loss of Abyssal Scepter. Leaving item 3165 (too centralising and needs a nerf), item 3151 , and item 3135 the decent items left for mages to get.

MissMikasa1 votes

Um, you arent doing it right if you rush that ADC build on everyone. Death's Dance is for ADCS who do more AOE damage like MF.

Otherwise, ones that focus more on AAing, go Bloodthirster. The other two items are fine.

ZapMyHeart1 votes

{quoted}

U wouldn't hear complaints about Mage items, even when they lack in diversity, if they were as effective as item 3031 item 3087 item 3094 rush.

Almost 99% of ADC players rush the same build every game, do u hear them complain about diversity ? ...

Of course No, cuz it is damn effective.

I usually rush item 3031 item 3046 item 3812 on every ADC.

Do i complain about diversity ? ... No

Uh, you could do Lethality, BotRK, BC, ER, RH, and so on without it gimping your ADC build.

If you don't either do Morello or rush RoA, you're screwed as an AP squishy (unless you were niche with Gunblade or Nashor).

Cloud2731 votes

Let's pretend that a champion has 0% Ap scaling on all their abilities. AP items would be useless. I know this isn't the case, but let's pretend there's a champion who has 120% AP scaling on all their abilities. Riot has to balance around champs with crazy AP scaling to make sure they don't get out of control (or they could just nerf the champ that's too strong). It's the abilities that break items. Not the items themselves. AP items are useless if the champion's abilities don't scale with them.

Red Wreckage1 votes

what are some of these AP Marksmen, AP Bruisers, AP Juggernauts you speak of?

some tank with magic primary damage have completely different builds. I dont see amumu build deathcap a lot. he can but lux can also build full AD I guess

Alüe1 votes

The removal of mana regen from items gimped many mages, aside from assassins or the two mages that are somewhat viable. Way too many mage players have to play above and beyond their opponent to gain an advantage. While ad mid laners can have unlimited sustain due to their kit centralizing around no resource cost or their auto attack. This double standard that unlimited sustain potential is bad for mages but good for ad is just one of the few reasons why we see this vicious cylce of buff and nerf adc's and assassins.

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