Can we have new items next rather than new champ.

tieger05·Jul 31, 2017·83 votes·3,027 views

It feels like AP and AD Carry items build the same literally every single game. And im not saying AP items are bad, but they're lackluster. It's boring when we just have the same things to build over and over. Rabadons and Void are a must now. Wishing we had more diversity <3

oh and AD carries are in the same situation, I dont play ADC though so I'd love some adc mains to throw out their opinion

I think people are misunderstanding me. I didn't mean rabadons is a must on EVERY champ, that would be silly. Bust most champs that scale well build void and deathcap, and although there's nothing wrong with that damage-wise, it just becomes boring. Items should be situational and should have more of an affect on games.

items should be built on the game's situation, not because of that champ's stats. Maybe added items would help this work

147 Comments

DurzakaJul 31, 201737 votes

lol, Rabadon's a must?

Youre joking right? No one is building Rabadon's right now because it is so fucking expensive and not worth it compared to other AP items.

SegiusJul 31, 20174 votes

Well early game its way too expensive, but late game when you have a LOT of gold its defiantly a must for almost all Ap mages

FairyfleurJul 31, 201718 votes

No, it isn't. Rabadons only works on AP champions that focus on scaling into lategame and making the most of all the AP. For other champs who have lower scalings they are better off buying a defensive or utility item like Rylai's, Zhonyas, or Banshees.

Edit: spelling error

SegiusJul 31, 20172 votes

I mean idk, A free 200-300 Ap seems better

PBnJellyJul 31, 201721 votes

3800 gold "free"

KnoyleJul 31, 20174 votes

Veigar I demand MORE POWER.

FilDaFunkJul 31, 20172 votes

And theres so little ap that its passive isn't all that good. Rather buy CDR to cast more for cc, buy defensive items to cast more, but MPen so base damage mages a bigger hit. Who needs AP?

UltraInventorAug 1, 20172 votes

Rabadon plus a full archangel staff (only these two) is about 350 AP, and it only builds. item 3089 item 3003 item 3165 item 3027 item 3135 item 3020 item 2139 Get these for the best AP damage in the game: 35% + 15 magic penetration AND 820 AP. If you don't want boots, you could also go luden's echo item 3285 to exchange 15 magic penetration for its unique passive and bringing your total AP to 956.

Just get 20% CDR through runes, and get the 5% CDR on your way to thunderlord's. Who can stop you? Not tanks, ADC's? NO, you kill them with one ability. So who don't you burst to death in an instant? By the way, rabadon's deathcap in this build gives you a total of 305 AP in the first build and 340AP in the second build. (If you go with luden's echo, the unique passive will deal 196 bonus magic damage to up to four targets. How is Rabadon not a must for an actual ap carry, like ahri, brand, or veigar?

DurzakaAug 1, 20176 votes

Because you just listed a build that costs 17000 gold.

and nearly 4k of that is JUST for Rabadon's.

So sure, by all means if you have a game play 50 minutes, build deathcap.

But if you plan for that, youre an idiot. especially in the current meta.

MelledoneusJul 31, 201724 votes

Wanna know why people want a new champion rather than a new item?

Because they can't ban items.

nami tfJul 31, 20172 votes

But what if you can? ;)

SpoofghoulJul 31, 20178 votes

item 1036 banned

there no more ad items

masterdomloJul 31, 20172 votes

item 1038 item 1037

nami tfJul 31, 20171 votes

I think you could only ban finished items, like Spirit Visage or Morellonomicon

LordGeovanniJul 31, 20172 votes

item 3165 item 3031 Perma banned then game damage can be sensable more banned than yasuo.

Votable JesterAug 1, 20173 votes

lol so many mages would need to be buffed if item 3165 was gone

LordGeovanniAug 3, 20171 votes

Thing is that morellos creates bad interaction in that it offers far too much. Mages are bad they are better than they ever were out side of leblanc and arhi dfg 1 shot combos. Mages have less than 2 second down times on their rotations they are effectively dps without trading any burst because almost all mages saw ap ratio buffs when 120 ap items went to 100 but they all got more access to cdr while magic resist and health both got nerfed across the board except on mage damage items that had those stats.

Votable JesterAug 3, 20171 votes

Lol if mages were "dps" now, you wouldn't see them all running from adcs and Cassio after their burst misses/fails to kill.

Mages are still burst, not dps. It's just that there is a smaller window between bursts, so they'll run for a few seconds and then try another rotation for the kill or to escape.

LordGeovanniAug 5, 20171 votes

i didnt say they were dps now i say that they effectively fullfill the role of dps. mages dont run from adcs after 1 combo because by time they use their 3rd spell the first is .5 seconds away frm being used again and they need to still be in range.

nGioJul 31, 20176 votes

item 3123 permabanned.

I just introduced like 10 'new' champions into the game.

LordGeovanniAug 3, 20171 votes

Not as long as morellos which is more used than that is here considering that healing champions work off of healing better at low hp. Which i think is a bad mechanic leave 1 flat healing all through except on unique champs instead of always making it super strong at low hp for gimping it at high hp.

Glory to GodJul 31, 201715 votes

Y-yeah! What could go wrong? item 3814 item 3053 item 3748 item 3193

Bob the ToastrJul 31, 201713 votes

Don't forget this bs combo: item 3193 item 3190

DJMason88Jul 31, 20176 votes

Even worse with Nunu Chogath item 3083

KnoyleJul 31, 20176 votes

I might be missing something but what is wrong with Titanic? I know Sterak's was abused by marksmen a bit ago but what of Titanic?

Glory ln DeathJul 31, 201721 votes

It sank.

its mëJul 31, 20174 votes

Ap's have a shit tone of possibilitys, item 3151 item 3146 item 3030 item 3152 item 3285 item 3165 item 3089 item 3040 item 3027 item 3135 item 3157 item 3102 item 3111 item 3047 item 3009 item 3117 item 3158 item 3020

SwiftKitten88Jul 31, 201723 votes

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Ap's have a shit tone of possibilitys,

i like how u lisrt all the boots and no item 3146 is niche as are item 3030 item 3152 item 3027 item 3040 and all of which only work on specific champion

that gives us item 3165 item 3135 item 3285 item 3089 item 3157 item 3102 item 3151 and

to choose from

its mëJul 31, 201717 votes

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SwiftKitten88Jul 31, 20176 votes

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___ niche item my ass, its a strong item on every ap assasin and even is a core for a lot of them

___ (or anyone who wants health and ap)

___ anyone who wants some excra cc

___ also okay on and more, anyone who wants some extra range and chasing potenial

___ For sustain and hidden tankyness (shield)

(I had forgotten to list this item)

You dont have to buy these Items for the champions i listed but they are all viable choices, and each of the boots are viable for different midlaners mobi for roamin, cd for high cooldown champions, sorc for assasins, ninja vs autoatack heavy teams, mercs against cc and ap assasins, swift for champions who need high mobility in fights such as tf and Aurelion

The niche item works for an entire group of champions

The items that only work on specific champions work on 20 different ones thats 2/3 of all mages!!!

and ontop of that you have the 9 basic mage items that you had listed!!!

Items for mages are incredibly versityle and situational, but if you always brainlessly buy the same stuff you obviously wont come across them.

ok since this seems to be too hard for you.. let me explain item 3146 gives ap and AD its HYBRID. therefore only hybrid champs can make real use of it yes Akali and Ekko work and to some extent even Nidalee uses hybrid damage.. but she doesn't need another form of heal anyways item 3027 is good but requires scaling.. most games are very short so if you aren't on a champ who would build it early anyways.. its not always efficient. for example i see people trying to build it on Nidalee who is a early/mid game champion with abysmal late game. and by building them item.. yes you get good ap and HP... but at the cost of what? losing the your powerspike in the early and mid game so your not COMPLETE trash lategame. giving up all your strengths early and mid game as well as your snowball potential to make its so you're only "bad "instead of "horrible" lategame is beyond stupid item 3030 ... the fact you even are trying to argue that this isn't a "niche" item for specific champs is pretty sad item 3152 again very heavily niche not que as bad as but still viable on very few champsion.... item 3003 is a very good item efficiency wise. but also has the scaling issue. but much less so than item 3027 because you only need to complete the item 3070 to start the scaling... still it is rarely bought item 3116 was the only real ap + hp item that didn't have a niche drawback but it because op on certain champions who could keep the slow permanently up because it the item didn't an internal cooldown per target.

instead of fixing this by adding an internal cooldown. they gutted the HP and AP ratios which now make it a waste for anyone who wasn't one of those broken champ would COULD stack it permanently

item 3151 is also niche but has become less so because there are so few other option it is it "least bad" hp and HP item

FairyfleurJul 31, 20177 votes

If I want armor or mr as a mage, I can only choose banshees or zhonyas. For champions who don't effectively use those items, they are gimping themselves for wanting some defense. For many champions they just don't have options when it comes to what they want to buy. Midlane mages like Syndra and Lux are forced to buy Morellonomicon because there is no other first item that they can build without putting themselves at a disadvantage.

Also, Rod of Ages is terrible on Taliyah. She focuses on getting an early lead and snowballing other lanes before she falls off lategame. ROA only delays her power. And Gunblade only works on certain AP assassins like LeBlanc and Ahri because the active is too good for them not too pass up.

Sun Wu RyuumokuJul 31, 20173 votes

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If I want armor or mr as a mage, I can only choose banshees or zhonyas. For champions who don't effectively use those items, they are gimping themselves for wanting some defense.

u can ONLY... only, only, only. Really u say this as if theses items weren't great. Btw can u list at list one champ whose dosn't effectively use those items.

For many champions they just don't have options when it comes to what they want to buy. Midlane mages like Syndra and Lux are forced to buy Morellonomicon because there is no other first item that they can build without putting themselves at a disadvantage.

Its wrong

Also, Rod of Ages is terrible on Taliyah. She focuses on getting an early lead and snowballing other lanes before she falls off lategame. ROA only delays her power.

Its wrong. Its mainly because she's great early, she CAN invest on ROA to get a decent late (same for TwistedFate ). Its not always the best, but, its still an option for her.

And Gunblade only works on certain AP assassins like LeBlanc and Ahri because the active is too good for them not too pass up.

It work for all ap assassin. Even for a divers Diana

Votable JesterAug 1, 20173 votes

I can sorta understand your view on the other things, but how on earth is he wrong about Morello? Without that, Syndra and Lux run oom super fast, don't have the AP to waveclear properly, or don't have the CDR necessary for a strong combo ( Syndra especially). That item is the early/mid game powerspike.

Sun Wu RyuumokuAug 1, 20172 votes

Its depend on the game.

but for the mana :

u can just stick to and end a "defensive items
ask for a blue
taking a second

Seeing ur mid laner rushing item 3165 against Zed Ekko when they're in 0/>3... is so sad. Mainly when they're considered to be at a decent elo.

Votable JesterAug 1, 20171 votes

If you grab a lost chapter, you'll probably be building a Morello later, and none of your suggestions included as much CDR as Morello would (blue doesn't count because its CDR works even better when you already have some CDR).

Sure you don't rush Morello when super behind a Zed for instance, but you are gimping your mid game spike quite a bit for that. Those situations are unique in that you are gimping their mid game spike as well, making it not so bad for you.

Sun Wu RyuumokuAug 1, 20172 votes

If you grab a lost chapter, you'll probably be building a Morello later, and none of your suggestions included as much CDR as Morello would (blue doesn't count because its CDR works even better when you already have some CDR).

yeah, sure u will building morello later. My only point was : they're plenty items available and viable. And NOBODY are forced to rush x items in all situation. Cause many ap player complain about itemization in comparing with AD items, but its same for AD.

When u play Talon Zed MonkeyKing against Fizz Syndra and u are forced to buy item 3155 its delay ur item 3147 . And its same with adc. Tanks are the only ones to not really care about rushing mr or arm.

Sure you don't rush Morello when super behind a Zed for instance, but you are gimping your mid game spike quite a bit for that. Those situations are unique in that you are gimping their mid game spike as well, making it not so bad for you.

its same for all class bro.

tieger05Aug 4, 20171 votes

no one builds gunblade on diana. Gunblade is good on assassins like akali or kat, because they dont have a slow in their kit. Diana has a slow on her E, she doesn't need gunblade. The stats don't work on her. I'd rather have an item like roa that gives me 100AP, HP, Mana, and spell vamp, rather than an item that gives me 200magic damage every 40 seconds lol

Sun Wu RyuumokuAug 4, 20171 votes

I didn't say it was build on her nor it was her best build, i say it work on her. Its totaly viable.

its mëAug 1, 20171 votes

They are viable items and situational, hate on them all you want

FairyfleurAug 2, 20172 votes

I'm not saying they aren't viable, I'm saying that they are poor options for champions that do not utilize the stats and actives well.

An Undead bratJul 31, 20179 votes

item 3030 on Velkoz ? You must be joking.

its mëAug 1, 20172 votes

80 ap, health and mana also a ap scaling active which slows so you can hit you're e better

LeBlanc RoseAug 3, 20173 votes

Yes, it is good, but there is better. Remember that. Jhin building item 3004 ? No. Yes it is useful, but there are better items out there.

LeBlanc RoseJul 31, 20174 votes

Ok. Ahri doesn't build item 3146 . 2 of the champions you listed, Karthus and Anivia build item 3027 . AurelionSol builds item 3030 . No one else. item 3152 Isn't built on Lissandra or Malzahar and Ahri . Orianna doesn't build item 3003

LightIsMyPathJul 31, 20171 votes

Apart from the fact that half the couple champ-items you made are horrible, let's conveniently skip the fact that 1/3 of those items have shared passive/active so you can't buy them together..

its mëAug 12, 20171 votes

That is factually, simply wrong

tieger05Aug 1, 20173 votes

item 3003 on Orianna ? Am I missing something...

its mëAug 1, 20172 votes

Ori does good with scaling, and the upgraded gives her a big shield which is good since oriana likes to be in the fight since her auto attacks are very powerfull even late game

tieger05Aug 2, 20171 votes

no, it doest work like that. Diana is auto-attacky, does that mean i should take it on her too lmao

LordGeovanniAug 3, 20171 votes

The diffrence is orianna is ranged safe.and has multiple tools to protect her self if you can get the fighters and adcs in your face to not focus you as dianna that would be a great item instead of bansees or zhonyas