A reasonable to balance around Lucian etc. Black Cleaver build

Kouhey··2 votes·771 views

We all know the new black cleaver was made for bruisers and are essential to Darius and Garen, who have a physical damage DOT to stack up black cleaver real quick and deal hella damage in no time into the fight. Now MF and Lucian pick up black cleaver for dem decent raw stats and smooth build path. Plus they can also utilize black cleaver's passive super fast with their kits, MF can AOE shred armor with ult, Lucian is even more ridiculous, Q into passive is an instant 3 stack, he can also stack 5 times with ult (which is why now Cullings hurt like a motherfucker)

Anyways, it is reasonable to nerf this part of black cleaver to limit the power of ADC's use on black cleaver instead of lowering its stats or giving it a weird build path, or we will destroy those who are supposed to use them. My suggestion is to give Black Cleaver's passive an super small internal coodown that works good with the tick rate of Darius, Garen, Wukong etc. but not so well with Lucian who can stack up super fast In the end, it's not Lucian being broken at the moment, it's this specific build boosting his gameplay to another level. And we should try to limit his use on Black Cleaver instead of plain nerfing Lucian's kit and/or Black cleaver itself.

9 Comments

Critmaster Garen5 votes

why not make it melee only?

other than that, they could just revert the item to season 5 state. increase the health and reduce ad.

Tahyana1 votes

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why not make it melee only?

other than that, they could just revert the item to season 5 state. increase the health and reduce ad.

I agree with you on the restriction. Like item 3085, which is ranged only, they should make item 3071 melee only. This would eliminate the Korean build, even out Lucian forcing him to pick another build path, and leave the item as it is for bruisers to use.

BloodyTompon2 votes

Lucian is fine atm he doesn't need more nerfs. If he does, you'd target Lucian not the item. The items being targeted are when there are more systematic problems. Cleaver is not being way overused, it's being used by MF and Lucian. Being caster ADC's that not too unreasonable though and it's easier to balance those two than nerf/change Cleaver and have lots of unintended consequences.

Anu3isII1 votes

Ummm... you do realise that your proposed change either doesn't do anything or will cripple their (all the Black Cleaver users you mentioned) synergy with the item itself?

Lucian is a champion that abuses Black Cleaver, yes, but you forget that overall he has a delay between the two shots of his passive, his Q and his E take time to use and his magnificent Ult still uses multiple shots almost as fast the Garen's E. He isn't doing one big hit and BOOM, you are dead...

Miss Fortune kinda always liked Black Cleaver. The synergy with her Ult is nothing new, and all the stats of the item are desirable for her. She isn't overpowered with it, and the item itself is powerful only if your opponents really build Armor.

Deneviel1 votes

Illaoi won't like this change :/

TheOvermind1 votes

And you haven't seen my black cleaver twitch yet ;) huehuehiehie

Espy Psyche1 votes

I'd just revert Black Cleaver to the S5 version (reduce the AD and add more HP). That way it's still good on marksmen if you need the armor penetration because you're facing a tank with item 3742 item 3068 item 3143 item 3047 item 3075 item 3512 , but outside of that, Korean build Lucian/MF are nerfed but Darius/Illaoi/Garen etc. still pick the item up effectively.

Br4ndon1 votes

I never understood why people would voluntarily call themselves something strange such as OP summoner name.

I suppose strange to me might not be to other though...

CR4ZYRONDH4VI1 votes

Making it melee only would be a good idea.

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