Why do people act like Silver Bolts is Vayne's problem?

Daedalus871·Sep 1, 2015·6 votes·790 views

There are at least 10 other things that I would rather see nerfed.

10 Comments

FadedpfSep 1, 20154 votes

Take away the flat damage and it would still be a very good tool against tanks and not so harsh on squishies. There are literally so many ways to nerf or tone down Vayne. We will see if Riot decides to do anything and how big they will hit her.

Daedalus871Sep 1, 20151 votes

Even the flat damage isn't too bad.

But when you give an AS reliant ADC (who already has one of the highest AS at 1 and 18 in the game) a 50% AD on hit AA reset with a 2 second cooldown, and 70 damage on her ult, it gets kind of ridiculous.

Slamurai JackSep 1, 20152 votes

The same reason people always point to Yasuo 's double crit passive as the problem. People love to latch onto numbers and they especially love to think that damage steroids are the problem when typically a champions methods of applying that damage are far more problematic.

The real problem with Vayne has always been item 3153 , specifically that it doubles down on everything her kit already gives her. Vayne's kit gives her spammable mobility with Q, %health on hit damage with W, self peel and CC with E, and chasing power with her passive. What does Botrk give you? Extra mobility, chasing power, and self peel with the active and extra %health damage on hit with the passive. I think that having some amount of true damage in a kit is reasonable but Silver Bolts will often do 50+% of your health in true damage if you're even remotely tanky, and this is only possible because of just how elusive Vayne is with her kit and Botrk. Silver bolts aren't the problem, her ease in applying it is. Simple as that.

Meep ManSep 1, 20151 votes

It's her reliable, near instant disengage for herself with already good kiting AND chasing. Plus, it comes with a 1.5 second stun for offensive uses. Her E is an overly versatile spell in my opinion for how powerful her W is, although it should be.

TurquoiseYoshiSep 1, 20151 votes

It's because Silver Bolts is her damage output. And because it does too much damage to squishies for a tankbuster.

Daedalus871Sep 1, 20151 votes

No it's not.

Against Squishies, who let's say have 2000 health for nice numbers, it's 220 damage per 3 hits. That's 70 per AA.

That's nothing compared to her critting every other AA with 400 AD with IE.

Her real damage output is her Tumble.

UltraSceptileSep 1, 20151 votes

It's the fact that she's a hypercarry without a weak laning phase who also doesn't require that much gold for stats to duel or deal sustained damage. Most adcs need IE and PD. Vayne needs BORK and maybe a dagger or two. Her ability to itemize solely AS and deal as much damage as other adcs building the most expensive AD items is a major problem and shouldn't even exist. Like you thought yasuo with his ability to get shiv and wreck face was bad? At least he doesn't have crazy unconditional mobility with instant CC and ability to shred tanks without being fed.

Noble FoxSep 1, 20152 votes

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It's the fact that she's a hypercarry without a weak laning phase who also doesn't require that much gold for stats to duel or deal sustained damage. Most adcs need IE and PD. Vayne needs BORK and maybe a dagger or two. Her ability to itemize solely AS and deal as much damage as other adcs building the most expensive AD items is a major problem and shouldn't even exist. Like you thought yasuo with his ability to get shiv and wreck face was bad? At least he doesn't have crazy unconditional mobility with instant CC and ability to shred tanks without being fed.

Was that sarcastic? he has all of that hahah

UltraSceptileSep 1, 20151 votes

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Was that sarcastic? he has all of that hahah

Not really, yasuo's only mobility is around minions, and he needs to waste 2-3 seconds to charge up his tornado (after Q CD is capped) and he doesn't shred tanks until late game or if he's fed.