"X is balanced, you just need to counterpick"
That is not a valid argument for two reasons:
- You don't always get to counter pick. Red side has a guaranteed counter pick. Blue side, does not. So if you have a way to always end up on red side, then you can use this, but most of us have a 50/50 chance of ending up on blue side. And this isn't even going into nondraft modes.
- Sometimes you're counterpick isn't always good for your team. For an example, let's say my team is something like Mao top, Rek jg, Ahri mid, Morg sup and the enemy ADC is Vayne. Now I could counter pick Vayne with something like Caitlyn, but the rest of my team is practically begging me to pick Sivir. I realize this wasn't the best example since Vayne isn't strong right now and counterpicks mean less to ADCs than other champs, but the principal stands.
Really, the only time when counterpicks means a champ is not OP is when every champion counters them. Of course that's pretty much limited to Poppy and Karthus, so not really a valid point.
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Plus counterpicking should make for an easier matchup, not a damn near requirement to not just die
, were created solely for the purpose of making everyone's lives miserable when you have to play against them.
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is a much bigger lane bully for example ). He has no sustain, mana issues, lacks any mobility or escapes, and barely has enough range via decimate or apprehend to worry about. Hell what does his slow matter when everyone has flash, and or a dash these days? FURTHERMORE if flash AND OR a dash was NOT enough to get you out of his reach and under your tower, why did you push so far up against a dangerous champion in the first place, unless you could fight him directly(This is a mistake no other way to look at it)? He's not naturally tanky, and he isn't particularly good at diving or roaming either... so there really isn't that much he can do. You legitimately just have to recognize when he has an advantage over you(which applies to alot more than just Darius), back off, and play accordingly. Hell simply backing off will often cause Darius to push, resulting in you being under or near your tower(exactly what you want), Darius being overextended and therefor close to dead... as he again has NO ESCAPES for when hes inevitably ganked for recklessly pushing. Furthermore YES this does mean you HAVE to drop some CS, as its NOT worth your life(you're worth more gold than a minion kill). Believe me as an avid Nasus player it hurts to not get that CS, but you have to know it isn't always worth it... and they're counting on you to NOT understand that. Not to mention were talking about a champion that often builds damage first, making him squishier early than most other top laners. Even if he kills you once or twice, you will eventually outscale him with almost anything(Just not losing lane, is more or less a victory because of this). Seriously i find it harder to LOSE lane against him, literally just have to have PATIENCE(its a virtue... and a requirement for late game champs)!
which is part of the reason I hate Darius. I know not to feed him, I don't push my wave, the reason I hate the matchup is because it isn't a skill matchup, there is nothing Nasus can do about Darius early-mid game and if it's a good Darius, Nasus will be so starved of stacks that he won't be able to deal with him late game either. I always let Darius push my lane so he is vulnerable to ganks, and when my jungler camps for me I usually end up destroying Darius, but the actions of my jungler are not something under my control, and that's infuriating. In my elo (Bronze5) I frequently have games where 
. Once you have this item, Teemo will shit in his pants when he sees that you have a fat 250 magic damage shield and Dunkrius proceeds to do D DUNK! If Teemo dies in lane (by himself), he will be forced to farm and not fight, but that is where Darius can excel/build up his lead even further. How? Teemo has 500 attack range. His Q has 580 range. Darius's pull has the range of 550 (1)*. If Teemo auto attacks you, he will get pulled. If Teemo blinds you, well that is fine. Darius will just walk ahead of Teemo with the 5% Movement speed buff from Hemorrhage. Darius's damage is very high. If you are afraid of shrooms? Don't worry, just back off and farm + wait for Cooldowns (on your abilities). He will have to farm either way or Darius will freeze lane. (NOTE: Darius is still prone to pushing the wave by Decimating but, if Darius makes sure that he only Q's Teemo and not the wave..this is very hard to do though, then Teemo will have to rely on his team to carry him.) Once you get 
, He just have to AFK. His Health pool is very very small. If he doesn't build hp items, then a level 6/11 full damage Ult and Ignite can take away around 50-65% or even 70-80% of his total hp! Then again, it is all about the circumstances in that particular match-up.
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? Well that will mitigate Darius's Q and W's damage a bit, but then, you have to deal with his Magic damage and his True Damage. You should also remember that you are building straight up Armor without Health to back up your stats.
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Then Q W E R..depending on the champ that is. It could also be the APC! Problem is that you need to make sure you and your team CC her/him hard..after they Zanyas. Then the APC can waste her/his Summoner Spells or die while using them) in unexpectedly, well now that's free summoner spells from that lucky hook (What up
kill? Well..to be honest, I know how hard it is to face an opponent with Ignite, when you have 
. You either lose that 1v1 because of that Ignite or you can make #D Pl4YS with Teleport. I've never lost to a Teemo with Ignite because I end up taking Ignite against him 
. (If stacked well but if you survived lane for 10 minutes and did not died and u r farming ur Q, your opponent already lost that lane)
, otherwise , u r fked.)
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's whole kit. Im just kidding you dont need that much but you need enough to kite him but it will take atleast 5-10 seconds to kill Nasus late game.
