I beat a riven In lane.

yukumari·Jul 19, 2015·4 votes·815 views

I still think she's grossly over tooled. Her AA cancellation allows for insane burst, And her Low CD mobility compounded with her stun/knock up allowed her to poke me down, before I could retaliate until she could all in. All in all, I don't see a real weakness with her. Her squishiness is covered by her Shield, and she's incredibly slippery. Even Nasus, with his Banana's late game potential, still has to put his team into a 4v5 and has to farm before he can reach that point. (And I hate playing against Nasus more than I hate playing against Riven, if that says anything) It's not that any one element that makes her stupidly strong. It's that her entire kit has so much synergy with itself. (Building CDR+ Resourceless, Or AOE Stuns/knockUP+ AOE abilities, HighCD + Mobility etc.)

Honestly, I'm not sure what Riven would need to have done with her to balance her out, but she definitely doesn't seem fair as is.

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Hasztalan2Jul 19, 20153 votes

A simple thing: giving her mana. That would limit her mindless "facerollkeyboard" playstyle and would actually open up a resource limitation on her. With mana she couldnt afford to fly around a map, waste her entire rotation to kill a neutral with 0 hp loss (or even healing herself with lifesteal) and she wouldn't be a threat 24/7 on lane.

NemeBroJul 19, 20153 votes

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I still think she's grossly over tooled. Her AA cancellation allows for insane burst, And her Low CD mobility compounded with her stun/knock up allowed her to poke me down, before I could retaliate until she could all in. All in all, I don't see a real weakness with her. Her squishiness is covered by her Shield, and she's incredibly slippery. Even Nasus, with his Banana's late game potential, still has to put his team into a 4v5 and has to farm before he can reach that point. (And I hate playing against Nasus more than I hate playing against Riven, if that says anything) It's not that any one element that makes her stupidly strong. It's that her entire kit has so much synergy with itself. (Building CDR+ Resourceless, Or AOE Stuns/knockUP+ AOE abilities, HighCD + Mobility etc.)

Honestly, I'm not sure what Riven would need to have done with her to balance her out, but she definitely doesn't seem fair as is.

How exactly did a melee champion with very short range on all of her abilities save her ult "poke you down"?

yukumariJul 19, 20151 votes

How I mean is she can start a very short trade with her sheild, auto you and knock you up or stun you, then dash away before you can return any damage.

Because she's manaless, there's no limit on how often sh can do this, and eventurally you'll find yourself with considerably lower health than her. From there, your only options are to back, heal, and try and hard engage when you return to lane, or risk her gibbibg you.

NemeBroJul 19, 20151 votes

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How I mean is she can start a very short trade with her sheild, auto you and knock you up or stun you, then dash away before you can return any damage.

Because she's manaless, there's no limit on how often sh can do this, and eventurally you'll find yourself with considerably lower health than her. From there, your only options are to back, heal, and try and hard engage when you return to lane, or risk her gibbibg you.

Dude, you play Irelia. If she autos you she has higher health than you (assuming you were both full). If you are keeping yourself slightly lower health than she is you can stun her for longer than her shield lasts and chunk her down, forcing her to use her dashes to escape rather than fight, winning the trade.

Also, her stun lasts 0.75 seconds on most champions. On Irelia its duration is even shorter. Oh, and in the scenario you posted Riven won't be knocking you up. Since she needs to use her Q three times to do that, giving you plenty of time to hit E.

Your stun also has a longer range than Riven's does.

Irelia is like a Riven that doesn't even need to snowball. She can just passively farm until she has her triforce and be k. She has hard CC and actually outranges Riven. She shouldn't be poking you.

yukumariJul 20, 20151 votes

I'm not saying that It affects me negatively when I play Irelia, I've personally learned how to deal with it and counter it effectively. I still think that the fact that she can do that to begin with is a bit much.

The way I see it, Just because I can personally get around it while playing Bae-relia, Doesn't make it any less lame to fight against.

ArsamesJul 19, 20152 votes

This thread is interesting and original!

68636949_DELJul 19, 20151 votes

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Hasztalan2Jul 19, 20152 votes

[{quoted}](name=Riven Lovejoy,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=zRj83pZz,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2015-07-19T09:31:39.275+0000)

No. She doesnt get any burst from just the fast combo. It still takes 2.4 seconds if she does it properly. Its just a 0.6 sec difference, and your opponent needs to stand still in 3 seconds in order to do it. She needs to be incredibly fed for her fast combo to "burst" you. Its only useful against jungle camps because they dont move. You never met a Riven who knows the fast combo/animation cancelling anyway, so why do you complain about it?

She hasn't been viable for the past two seasons. Any further nerfs would make her elise tier.

Just compare her to irelia... She has sustain, true damage, point+click 2 sec stun, gapcloser with a reset (and 3 sec cooldown when its maxed with 40% cdr), huge triforce powerspike and a tenacity passive.

Riven has a 1.5 sec duration shield, shortest CCs in the game (both of them combined have a shorter duration than irelias point+click stun) you can dodge all of her abilities and if she uses her Qs to gapclose, she won't have any damage left. (unless shes 20/0 ofc.) And Riven has no powerspikes other than Brutalizer (which can be negated by buying a chain vest). Riven either gets fed or becomes useless for the rest of the game.

Riven is still strong its just idiot ppl should stop building her with 500 ad and focus on defensive items after cdr/lw. That's all. She is still one of the highest picket champ for 1 trick ponies in d1 and above.

And this "get fed or useless" thing jsut shows u have no clue how to play Riven. Ever since her last buffs when she made her stuff scale on total AD she is just as good lategame as early and mid she literally has no weak phase in the game now.

Maybe try her with defensive items and u'Ll see a miracle.

68636949_DELJul 19, 20151 votes

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Hasztalan2Jul 19, 20151 votes

[{quoted}](name=Riven Lovejoy,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=zRj83pZz,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2015-07-19T09:39:25.587+0000)

How many high elo Riven mains buy defensive items??? Defensive items are only good on jungle riven. Toplane riven will be even more useless than she already is if she stops building damage.

As i see it in my games almost everyone even the 1trick ponies. They start with bruta hydra -> put up first defensive which is either SV or rand -> LW and full def after that even selling bruta later on for either BC or if they are majorly behind a GA.

Srsly you don't need 500 ad to be threat to the enemy carries.

68636949_DELJul 19, 20151 votes

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Hasztalan2Jul 19, 20151 votes

[{quoted}](name=Riven Lovejoy,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=zRj83pZz,comment-id=000000000001,timestamp=2015-07-19T09:48:32.681+0000)

I guess having 1.2k riven games and getting to d1 with her back when she was playable is not enough to be considered a good Riven... 3/4 of her abilities scale off of bonus ad, not total ad. Riven is only good midgame, her early game is really easy to abuse because she has no sustain. She needs to all-in you in order to win the lane and you can prevent that by poking her down because she won't be able to all in you if she has 20% health. Rivens lategame is also bad because a full build Riven can't assasinate a full build ADC in a teamfight if he has BT+One defensive item. Then she gets exploded because of her squishiness.

She is playable even now , more so she is STRONg right now. This is just a typical "riven main" QQ who wants her champ back to the retardly op garbage state where she was a year ago. Not gonna happen. l2p.

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Hasztalan2Jul 19, 20151 votes

[{quoted}](name=Riven Lovejoy,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=zRj83pZz,comment-id=00000000000100000000,timestamp=2015-07-19T10:19:58.601+0000)

I don't want Riven to be op, I want her to be playable.

So that's why she is in every game at the highest elo in ALL regions cuz she is sooooooooo bad man. Must be the reason.

3tysonJul 19, 20151 votes

Kind of off topic but i think some dude on yoitube made a quadra kill playing riven without a keyboard im not saying riven is op/up im saying for the love of god buff keybloards

68636949_DELJul 19, 20151 votes

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3tysonJul 19, 20151 votes

I am 100% sure that in the exact same situation playing riven WITH a keyboard i would get a maximum of 1kill and die

so cmmon buff keyboards