Suddenly, everyone top is getting true damage?

yukumari·Aug 7, 2015·16 votes·1,582 views

With the recent addition of true damage to garens ult (only for the champion marked "Villain" on the enemy team) and Fiora's rework (which now includes true damage, and %MaxHP True damage) I get the feeling that true damage is no longer something that makes champions unique, but rather something that's basically standard to be toplane. True, it's only 2 more champions with true damage, and Garens is only under very specific conditions...

However, I don't think it would be the healthiest thing for the game if said trend continues. Thoughts?

16 Comments

LynxonyxAug 7, 201518 votes

Singed Will soon fart true damage.

SwizzleAug 7, 20157 votes

In my opinion it is because most top laners are encouraged to be tanks or build bulky and not go AD. Giving true damage is like giving percentage damage, it will always hurt almost regardless of what you are facing. Essentially it allows full tanks to still deal damage of some sort without giving them crazy high base damage on their skills.

Too TonAug 7, 20151 votes

People say "irelia falls off" though even with flat true damage. She also isn't built full tank (triforce maybe bork for damage)

ChaosThiefAug 8, 20151 votes

Irelia's true damage does not scale though. Take Yi for example, he has flat true damage but it scales based on his AD.

ElJanitorFrankAug 8, 20151 votes

Falls off isn't the same thing as being irrelevant, though.

Plus, Irelia's true damage doesn't scale.

BobbyCarHaterXAug 7, 20154 votes

Im sure they will give Riven true dmg on her R Execute cause you know...

Riot is a bunch of Riven Mains.

FadedpfAug 7, 20154 votes

With this new Arcade skin and still no nerfs to give Riven at least 1 weakness. This is correct.

Critmaster GarenAug 7, 20152 votes

dont worry, its not just true damage.

the spin damage also nearly triples.

LlaniteAug 8, 20152 votes

It's the easy way out to balance fighters.

This way they can build more tanky but still be relevant mid/late game.

FadedpfAug 7, 20151 votes

Apparently people cant learn to buy these things item 3071 item 3035 item 3134 that or Riot just fucking hates tanks. Which sucks because a massive amount of players rely on tanks not getting instantly melted to at least enjoy the game. ( season 4 assassin meta )

kile147Aug 8, 20152 votes

True damage is getting put on champs/moves that aren't supposed to care how tanky you are. Vayne is supposed to shred anyone that gets close to her, Garen is supposed to be able to enact justice upon the wicked no matter how tough they are, and Fiora is supposed to be The Duelist. It all sort of makes sense thematically, but most importantly %max health true damage is a way to make a champion feel powerful without making them overbearing on squishy targets. If they want Fiora chunking tanks for 20% of their health when she hits them, then you can be damn sure they will make sure she does. If that means giving her 40% physical damage so that it does 20% when the tanks armor negation and your armor pen play out then that's what they will do, which then makes the move OP on squishies because they have no armor.

Basically the point is that even with all the items you have shown there a tanky target will still have more health and more armor than a marksmen (60% armor pen/reduc on a 200 armor target > marksmen armor at lvl 18) , requiring the move to deal more physical damage in order to have the same effect, making it obscenely powerful on weak targets in order to do intended damage to tanky ones.

TL;DR : Even with a full tank shred build a tank will survive more punishment than an adc, making %max health true damage the simplest way to make moves feel powerful on everyone without dealing obscene damage to squishier targets.

Kitsuki05Aug 7, 20151 votes

I don't think it's going to be "everyone gets true damage" I'm glad to see it getting added to more champs though, it seems to add a healthy base line to certain situations. Vayne is just scary though

Silents429Aug 8, 20151 votes

I like it, the top laners getting it are the ones with little to no mobility anyway, they should be monsters that get rewarded if they catch you.

ModKnightsKemplarAug 8, 20151 votes

I think it's healthy for the sorts of champions they have put it on so far.

Garen has no cc, so he can't expect to just build tank and do anything useful. That's why he currently falls off so hard. Giving him true damage is a great way to make sure he remains a threat. People might actually play him again.

ModAcademy KaynAug 8, 20151 votes

Meddler covered this saying that %Health True damage is to remain something rare. They just forgot to mention Garen when he said that. I wouldn't expect any new true damage stuff to come into the game anytime soon.

VhalthoriaAug 8, 20151 votes

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With the recent addition of true damage to garens ult (only for the champion marked "Villain" on the enemy team) and Fiora's rework (which now includes true damage, and %MaxHP True damage) I get the feeling that true damage is no longer something that makes champions unique, but rather something that's basically standard to be toplane. True, it's only 2 more champions with true damage, and Garens is only under very specific conditions...

However, I don't think it would be the healthiest thing for the game if said trend continues. Thoughts?

Dunno but it always came to my mind that Garen's Ult would have been awesome if the shockwave it does when killing the target would slow everyone touched by the radius and/or %5 of their current health taken out of the wave. I always compared it with other executes such as Darius' and Riven's and imo Garen's jut come out as pale in comparison.