Why Do We Get No Gold From Killing Voidspawn?

Shuyin178·Mar 22, 2016·9 votes·1,474 views

Something that's been bothering me lately is how when you kill Voidspawn from a Zz'Rot Portal we get no gold from them. They count as CS and are currently the only killable thing in the game that does not give you any gold. They are more or less exactly like Yorick's ghouls mixed with Malzahar's Voidlings, they last so long before dying, and yet those give us gold. You even get gold from killing Illaoi's tentacles, traps set by Shaco and Teemo, and even the Spiderlings Elise has. This is a gameplay issue that should be fixed. They should give 5 gold just like everything else in the game that isn't a monster or champion. It would also be a slight nerf to Zz'Rot due to this and should have been a thing since its creation.

20 Comments

Mysticman89Mar 22, 20168 votes

The concern is people will be tempted to leave the portal alive and just farm the voidspawn instead of actively playing to win.

Additionally if it turned out that farming the voidspawn actually was an effective way to farm gold and hence win, then the item would be a noobtrap (i.e. it actually works against the person buying it), which riot would certainly like to avoid.

Shuyin178Mar 22, 20163 votes

Honestly if the enemy laner is going to cower out of the lane phase using Zz'Rot to stall tower pushes then the other laner deserves to farm it. I had a Sion today that rushed it because he didn't want to deal with me on Poppy. I killed over 30 Voidspawns just trying to get to the tower (which I couldn't do). If someone takes the easy way out using Zz'Rot then the other team should get something in return, meanwhile the coward laner gets gold for every minion Zz'Rot kills while the person against it gets nothing out of it making it unfair and cancer to the game.

PDE5 InhibMar 22, 20161 votes

And they should be allowed to do that. If they want to keep the portal alive and have the lane pushed against them just so they can farm, then the team with the portal can actively focus objectives elsewhere on the map.

Blazing TenshiMar 22, 20162 votes

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The concern is people will be tempted to leave the portal alive and just farm the voidspawn instead of actively playing to win.

Additionally if it turned out that farming the voidspawn actually was an effective way to farm gold and hence win, then the item would be a noobtrap (i.e. it actually works against the person buying it), which riot would certainly like to avoid.

If that is the case then Nasus shouldn't get stacks for them.

Shuyin178Mar 22, 20162 votes

Champions that get things out of killing units (Nasus Q stacks, Sion HP, etc) are the only champions that benefit from an enemy Zz'Rot. Every other champion suffers, especially if it is rushed 1st item because if the enemy pushes with the Zz'Rot then the Voidlings will just hammer the tower over and over without any form of countering.

Maximum MordeMar 22, 20161 votes

Veigar doesn't get stacks, are you sure Sion/Nasus do? The animation and sound effect play for veigar but his AP doesn't actually increase.

Shuyin178Mar 22, 20161 votes

I could have sworn they did..... I mean they increase your CS count so they still count as kills. I don't know, the coding for Voidspawn is so spaghetti random. "Lets increase their CS but give them 0 benefits from it except for false numbers that mean nothing."

Maximum MordeMar 22, 20161 votes

Go get a friend and try it.

RastaBrothaMar 22, 20162 votes

Bro just doesn't make sense.... Voidlings don't carry any gold. I mean malz's do but they have voidling business to attend. They pay taxes and so do elise spiderlings, yoricks ghouls pay their cemetery fee and the traps pay rent on the rift. Zz voidlings however, do not. They are an unsocial pack of lazy babies who pulled their tiny butts onto the rift to vandalise harmless towers. Fuck zz voidlings

Zero Skill TankMar 22, 20161 votes

Why would anyone buy item to give enemy moar gold?

WolfessMar 22, 20161 votes

do we currently get gold for destroying the actual portal that spawns them? Haven't checked but if we don't, then that's where we should get the gold similar to destroying a ward. Not a LOT of gold, but some to offer some counterplay against an item that offers 120 stats in defense AND movement speed buffs AND a lane pushing/wave control active skill so people don't just place it or spam it without any actual worry or consequences while at the same time giving a bit more incentive to actually go find it and destroy it.

but that doesn't mean the team that built it gets nothing in return, giving a higher incentive to destroy the portal could also mean that the team that placed it could use it as a bait mechanic for playmaking.

Shuyin178Mar 22, 20161 votes

Killing the portal itself does give gold, however if it's rushed 1st item it's nearly impossible to reach because it gets placed behind the tier 1 tower. The current problem is that the Voidspawn have no repercussions. The enemy places a Zz'Rot, the Voidspawn hold/push the waves, you kill the Voidspawn and get nothing out of it even though the enemy gets everything from them. If you are on a champion that doesn't have much damage or waveclear you are put at a disadvantage just from the Voidspawn because if you get pushed to tower the Voidspawn will just hammer at the tower over and over destroying it while the enemy laner stays at a safe distance doing nothing.

GlockHammerMar 22, 20161 votes

Considering the spawn rate, giving 5 gold per unit would be too much imo, but why not at least 1 gold, if not 2 or 3? At least something to not make ZZ'rot the obligatory goto item when Susan si gnikat a pan.

charcharmunroMar 22, 20161 votes

...What happened to your keyboard near the end there.

GlockHammerMar 22, 20161 votes

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...What happened to your keyboard near the end there.

Susan = Nasus, I think you'll figure out the rest. ;)

Shuyin178Mar 22, 20161 votes

I'd be fine with 2 or 3 gold, anything when we kill the Voidspawn. Nasus, Sion, and maybe Gangplank (I think his Q passive still gives extra gold) (maybe a few others I'm forgetting) are the only ones that benefit off of killing Voidspawn right now which is bad. You shouldn't have to play specific champions to counter 1 item that might not even get bought.

PDE5 InhibMar 22, 20161 votes

I've often wondered the same thing.