What... What did you do to Malzahar?

Akesgeroth·4/18/2018, 1:12:02 PM·20 votes·9,879 views

Oh my god. I stopped playing for 8 months and I come back to 3 nerfs to his ult, 2 nerfs to his Q and a slight nerf to his E. Why? What the hell warranted this?

39 Comments

HaIlMonitor4/18/2018, 2:00:44 PM30 votes

He saw pro play.

Kelg4/18/2018, 1:32:44 PM23 votes

{quoted} What the hell warranted this?

His R

Zéychin4/18/2018, 6:30:47 PM16 votes

They created a champion which is broken. Broken doesn't mean overpowered, it means that he has a kit that is very binarily overpowered or underpowered, based on the numbers attached to his kit or the items/runes he uses. The issues are his passive and his ult being on the same champion, along with easy and mana efficient waveclear patterns.

These issues are most apparent in melee low-range or poor waveclear mage matchups. He AFK shoves you into tower because his waveclear becomes mana efficient very quickly and if you try to fight back, you have to pop his passive first. Once you pop his passive, you really hope his jungler isn't nearby because if the jungler is there, he pops ult and you die with about 95% certainty. You have trouble getting wards out because you've been stuck under your tower attempting to deal with his waveclear. Even if he never kills you, he forces many champions to remain under tower until it is gone unless you have considerable jungle pressure. Sure, you can try to gank him, but his passive will deny the initial engage and his minion wave will probably be under your tower, so it may not even be gold efficient to try to kill him.

No, not every matchup works this way, and players with stronger game knowledge and effective jungle pathing/pressure can abuse him, but it's enough of a problem in enough scenarios that they had to gut him. This is without even mentioning that his Flash R with his passive and Banshee's Veil preventing his ultimate from being stopped is a near-guaranteed kill in teamfights in solo queue because not all five enemy players will have a QSS or a Mikael's Crucible on the support.

Malzahar was better off, balance-wise, before his rework. Now he is destined to either be permaban status or drastically underpowered, based on how his kit numbers are adjusted or the items and runes he uses are adjusted.

tl;dr: I hope to see his passive changed to a different effect entirely or even a full revert to his prior kit, so that he is allowed to be a champion again.

Zane Zephyr4/18/2018, 5:09:24 PM11 votes

Threw him in the gutter because they put too much power in his passive at the mage update so they constantly nerfed him ever since then. It sucks.

nm10104/18/2018, 4:18:56 PM7 votes

My favorite part is when the enemy jungler builds cinderhulk and I can never get my w to do damage while they are around (it insta kills voidlings).

DW Diana4/19/2018, 12:26:17 AM5 votes

They killed him, sent him back to the void, and are now kicking his corpse. Every mage player is currently up in arms about the nerfs to mages riot has proposed, while anyone who is a malz main is so used to having they favourite champion skull fucked by riot that they barely notice it anymore. I actually tested building adc items on him and got an extra 400-500 damage out of him just auto attacking when compared to his full ap ult combo. Welcome back!!!!

iTaLenTZ4/18/2018, 1:57:05 PM4 votes

I have been asking this question for 3 years now. Can't believe its been so long since they fucked up his rework.

Dead flag blues4/18/2018, 8:37:00 PM3 votes

Zed mains who can't buy a qss

Killer of Night94/18/2018, 10:52:43 PM2 votes

His ult instead of a suppress should've a slow... This will make him to get again a good Q and a ult that actually deal damage. They "fix" ryze problem giving to him a slow instead of Flash + CC and i think this is the right way to bring his damage back... Like now his ult reward nothing than "Get a QSS then i become useless".

Dope Solo4/19/2018, 3:17:49 AM2 votes

Faker died. LC$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$. I feel like the changes to MalzR were warranted, but its sad what it took to finally get it fixed.

Newbie1287494/20/2018, 12:34:54 AM1 votes

he was extremely powerful in general, dominated both soloq and pro play

Sire Hippington4/19/2018, 12:26:55 AM1 votes

His new passive combined with his R, a rather longranged point n click lockdown with next to no counter as the first cc you throw to him gets absorbed by the passive.

deadlychuck4/19/2018, 2:06:38 AM1 votes

What are you talking about? Don't you know they fixed him back in 2016?

He's no longer a balance problem like he was before, so now they can nerf his Q and R damage (which clearly wasn't possible, before not enough "levers").

revliledpembroke4/19/2018, 3:42:57 AM1 votes

Who knew that giving him a passive where he occasionally has 99% damage resistance and ignores CC would break him? Oh, wait, LITERALLY EVERYONE ON THE PLANET!

ÈvilMorty4/19/2018, 5:28:59 AM1 votes

All he did was press R and he won games so nerfs

FrostQueensPlane4/19/2018, 10:27:32 AM1 votes

Repetoir happened. 90% of his reworks have been reverted btw but not this one. Oh and he got promoted. Best turn back now there's nothing but death waiting for you in this game.

DW Diana4/19/2018, 11:06:54 AM1 votes

I swear guys, his passive isn't all that. One auto and it's gone. What's he gunna respond with pre 6? If he uses q then just auto him again. If he uses e w then just walk away happy in the knowledge he just screwed his csing and gave you 3g. Again it does very little damage so you shrug it off. His passive gives him something his lack of mobility and cc doesn't: a chance to live a little longer.

Schenix4/19/2018, 10:50:18 PM1 votes

His new passives existence sharing a power budget with his R.