For someone so reliant on their ultimate, Evelynn's R should be on a lower cool down, at least early

Malicious Metal·Oct 18, 2017·53 votes·2,147 views

I think Evelynn's in a decent spot already, the exception being her W's indicator just being "too much" of a giveaway for enemies as they even know the exact position you're approaching them from.

But that's something I can forgive, her R though, Last Caress, needs to have a lower CD early game since she's so reliant on using it to even kill people early game and be proactive.

120 CD feels too punishing early. 100 would be better as she'd have the tools to go for more aggressive plays and get her snowball going, as an Assassin's supposed to do.

28 Comments

MërmaidOct 18, 201710 votes

The only issue I have with Evelynn currently is her E range. It is horrendously low that I've been buying Protobelt first instead of Lich just to get close enough.

I've been playing on PBE as well, and I feel that the new rune system may help her. There is A LOT of Movement speed in the sorcery tree that is really helping her. But that's just me playing on PBE and what I've seen on live as well.

LazyW0lfOct 19, 20172 votes

I've been playing on PBE as well, and I feel that the new rune system may help her. There is A LOT of Movement speed in the sorcery tree that is really helping her. But that's just me playing on PBE and what I've seen on live as well.

Honestly I feel like this is why she feels weak to me. She was balanced around the new rune system which is why Riot won't touch her until probably a week or two into preseason.

BunnymapOct 18, 20178 votes

Lower ultimate cooldown, faster W timer at higher ranks, and longer range E are buffs that I think could work to help fix some problems. Some base movement speed or move speed during demon shade could help too.

YuGiHoOct 18, 20176 votes

I feel like the conditions for eve(who is an assassin) to be able to 100-0 a squishy enemy champion are too strict in general. I don't understand why there is a damage gate on ALL of her ability's. Even when you are ahead eve will struggle to kill champions that are lower lv than her.

Twitch is honestly the more viable jungle right now

RavenMagusOct 19, 20174 votes

I can agree with this.

Been playing Eve a lot lately, and while she can join teammates in a fight fairly well, it's actually quite difficult to land solo kills when ahead. While it IS possible, it's actually absurd how hard it is. If a fed Zed or Talon or Fizz or Akali catches someone out and they're ahead, there's absolutely zero chance their food is getting away.

RebonackOct 18, 20175 votes

The execute on her Ult needs to just go away. Drop the cooldown MASSIVELY and load some more power into her base kit. Push her more toward an AP Skirmisher instead of an Assassin. 'Melee champ with high damage over several seconds' is a Skirmisher thing, not an Assassin thing.

YuGiHoOct 19, 20171 votes

um you remember Ekko right?

notice me Sin piOct 18, 20175 votes

i dont wanna see Evelynn using her ult for escapes every time she's in danger, but I do think CD reduction (like Lux ult) on execution would solve exactly what you are asking without making her so slippery

RebonackOct 18, 20174 votes

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i dont wanna see Evelynn using her ult for escapes every time she's in danger, but I do think CD reduction (like Lux ult) on execution would solve exactly what you are asking without making her so slippery

Given that Eve has the absolute worst target selection of any Assassin in the game while also having back-loaded damage, I think she deserves to be slippery.

GayFluffyUnicornOct 18, 20177 votes

I mean she is stealthed, has huge burst, free out of jail card AND a charm. Don't think she needs any buffs at all.

CytheGuyOct 19, 20173 votes

The problem is doesn't get to use said burst if the enemy is paying attention. "Oh, I'm being marked, better walk into my team/tower and prepare to cc!"

NyarlathοtepOct 19, 20172 votes

I mean she is stealthed

After 6, and with a big ass detection range.

has huge burst

insert here J Jonah Jameson Laughing

a charm

No. Its a slow that sometimes its a charm. Specifically once every time the planets align with each other.

Don't think she needs any buffs at all.

I swear the god, there is jonah jameson still laughing in my room...

JoeMGOct 18, 20174 votes

Idk. The games I've played her I never felt like I "needed" her ult to kill someone like a lot of people are claiming. I actually think her ult is in a fair state to the point where Riot can afford to add some power elsewhere in her kit.

XavanicOct 18, 20173 votes

Evelynn is shit, they basically Sejuani'd her new kit (if your wondering what that means, they loaded too much power into her ult, causing the rest of her kit to suffer due to a limited power budget)

THE RlVER KlNGOct 18, 20173 votes

It should be adjusted accordingly, however.

I don't think Eve's kit is weak. I just think too much of her power budget is tied up in her ultimate. What's that? Broad, AoE execute with untargetability frames and a long escape afterwards? Sure, if she mistimes it she'll gimp herself for the follow-up, but its still an enormously powerful ultimate.

New Eve feels unsatisfying - sure. But people aren't yet realizing that she still has her perma-stealth. Riot locked it behind level 6 because they gave her hard CC and %damage. Rengar is infuriating enough with a gapcloser from stealth, and he hasn't got hard CC along with that unless he uses an empowered root, which lowers his initial damage output. Eve can't have a powerful ult, her stealth, as well as a gapcloser that CCs you from said stealth without a few balance levers. That's just getting back to what made her unhealthy and in need of a VGU in the first place - no counterplay from stealth.

If you want to lower the CD on her ult, give her a longer E, and a more responsive W (all perfectly valid ideas), then you'll need to take away her untargetability. Or the MR shred. Something. Currently Eve has a kit with a lot of really potent strength, they just don't blend terribly well together. Buffing her potency straight up and/or removing the levers that make her more fair to play against is just asking for trouble.

PrinceOfStormsOct 19, 20172 votes

What I've seen suggested and I actually quite agree with is giving Eve stealth starting at level 1, but increasing the detection range and having it decrease as Eve gains levels. Something like 1100 at level 1, 900 at level 6 (what it is currently), 700 at level 11 (what it was before the rework), and 500 at level 16.

Azazel AerternumOct 19, 20172 votes

She's already strong enough, they need not to touch her.

ForFoxSakesOct 18, 20171 votes

For someone so reliant on their ultimate, R should be on a lower cool down, at least early needs to have a lower CD early game since she's so reliant on using it to even kill people early game and be proactive. 120 CD feels too punishing early. 100 would be better as she'd have the tools to go for more aggressive plays and get snowball going, as an Assassin's supposed to do.

Buff Zed too Exact same arguments

DoozkuOct 19, 20171 votes

Zed has a lot more power than Eve without his ult. I mean the mobility from his W alone is enough to make him more useful than Eve without their ults, especially considering that Eve doesn't even have her stealth until level 6, essentially leaving her without a gapcloser.

MuzétOct 18, 20171 votes

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/Oi7zKyNq-straight-buffs-to-evelynn-without-giving-her-more-damage

GGLineaROct 19, 20171 votes

Yorick is super reliant on his ult to duel reliably when he isn't ahead. 160 cooldown rank 1.

Granted, Yorick's ult is a lot stronger than most people's. But still, rito, give me this one thing. xD

OyddAWqJ5rOct 19, 20172 votes

And it doesn't go on CD until Maiden dies too :/

Skins ProjectOct 20, 20171 votes

It goes on cd on activation. (I think.)

DoozkuOct 19, 20173 votes

He can still duel well in the early game without his ultimate if he sets his minions up.

Late game, the ultimate is going to be around 120/100 seconds with no cdr, but since Yorick builds items like Trinity and Visage with give CDR, bringing the reasonable estimate to his cd on his ultimate to about 70/60 seconds. More than a lot of ultimates but not terrible.

I think that one thing people should note is that Eve was balanced around having the new rune system, meaning that they probably balanced her around the new Ultimate Hat that she's likely to get. I'd say she still deserves a lower cd on her ult tho, it's just really long for no good reason.

FeathermaneOct 19, 20171 votes

What Eve streams are you watching? People are already getting fed left and right.

ThefrostyvikingOct 19, 20171 votes

I think that sounds reasonable too, that or a mechanic like Lux getting lower CD when killing someone, as a reward for a good move.

Perhaps also lower the warning time when maxing W, and a slight range buff to E or a small movespeed buff early.

ElikainOct 19, 20171 votes

Does Eve's W really show a directional effect coming from her position? This can be both bad and good. This doesn't really reveal your exact location, just the direction you're coming from.

Think of this as Rengar's "!" sign. The problem with him was basically that you were being shown he's on your ass but you didn't know from where he was going to maul you from. And that allowed Rengar to basically instil fear in the enemy from even popping his ult, forcing a disengage or face expected death from an unexpected angle. I'd say Riot also wanted to make sure Eve doesn't follow through on the same principle but consider the following - her W has a pretty reasonable CD so if Eve does this to make the enemy retreat and doesn't pop it, she won't have charm for at least 15 more seconds and that's precious time lost waiting for another gank. Likewise, you'd never pop charm from her max distance because you'd never make it in time to pop it.

Also, let's wait for the new runes to come out. A lot of things are going to be shaken up during the preseason and it stands to reason Eve's going to have more options to pick her fights with, depending on what style she's going to opt in runes. Valkryn also thought Eve was weaker than he imagined her being and i feel like her jungle clears are very good. But here's the catch: Her Q and W have perks meant for jungle monsters while in a fight with champions, they are a bit weaker in comparison.