lets look at enchanters (support mains welcome)

Mens Hair Club··2 votes·235 views

how can we better diversify them from each other and possibly unshackle them from a no-gold role in bottom lane

if you play enchanters them comment; if your favorite gets reworked..

  • what do you think is core in terms of identity (what abilities should stay exactly as they are, what you might want to change)
  • what is unique to your champion and separates them from a class that is very same-y
  • how can we add more interaction and depth to them without radical changes (imo there has never been a radical overhaul that is successful so I want this avoided)
  • what would you be fine with losing and what would you trade it for?
  • what play style do you want them to work best with?
  • would you consider the opportunity to solo lane important in a rework?

personally i think enchanters should be reworked around encouraging, enabling or empowering different playstyles. currently they are best played in the back line passively boosting a marksmen and peeling; I'd like this to be the focal point of change in a support rework

for example, janna as the defensive powerhouse to enable strong siege and poke comps, and less reliant on ADCs being strong for her to succeed (or maybe this stays as part of her niche and other supports change away from that) with more effort to peel but higher rewards for doing well; most changes should be focused on giving her more complex play making and making her bare minimum less effective, but she has a great foundation that just needs built on

other classical support mains share your thoughts, ty

4 Comments

meowwow71 votes

i prefer playing Taric the only front line enchanter that i know he can be used as a counter engage or a great follow up for whoever he links onto and i'm pretty sure he won't get reworked for a while

dreadnoughtus011 votes

My favorite is Karma and she is probably getting reworked but I still wanted to answer the questions lol

what do you think is core in terms of identity (what abilities should stay exactly as they are, what you might want to change)

I don't think I have anything in particular that can't or shouldn't change. I think Q and Mantra are probably fine the way they are, but I wouldn't mind subtle changes to even those abilities.

E and W definitely need changes... W needs to have reliable CC or damage and E needs something unique. Too bad they gave shield bomb to Ivern.

what is unique to your champion and separates them from a class that is very same-y

From other enchanters? I guess Karma provides more poke than the others bar Lulu. She also has her ult at lvl 1, which is why she's been a meta pick at LCS. RE I suppose is somewhat unique, even if it just a locket + talisman ult.

how can we add more interaction and depth to them without radical changes (imo there has never been a radical overhaul that is successful so I want this avoided)

I think Karma does need significant changes, she's too much of a generalist which is why I'm glad she's getting reworked. That said, changing her mantra to allow multiple charges and encourage use of all her abilities could help (ofc they'd have to increase the cd on ult to compensate but that's fine).

what would you be fine with losing and what would you trade it for?

W needs CC and more damage. Lose the point and click 'reliability' and make it a skillshot that has more range or affects as a AoE (aka Vel's W).

E could lose the ms buff and shield up-time, in exchange make her shield be able to reflect damage or cc. Or anything unique and living up to her name of "Karma".

what play style do you want them to work best with?

I would like Riot to merge her subclasses closer. I want Karma to show she's a battle mage and an enchanter, not just one or the other.

would you consider the opportunity to solo lane important in a rework?

Mid and Top Karma' are already a thing, but sure being able to solo lane is important to the character.

Mens Hair Club2 votes

id kinda like her rework to reflect her original kit a little closer

even just some nods to it would b nice

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