bruiser items need to be more than raw stats

Mens Hair Club·Aug 30, 2017·22 votes·1,218 views

this is the biggest reason their items get abused so often

when items like cleaver sterak have good stats they're gonna get picked by other champs. titanic too to a lesser extent

bruiser items need to offer passives and actives specifically desirable to melee fighters. ways to get around heavy CC chaining and kiting are most important to them

this would also solve the "stat checking" problem for many older bruisers, if their items were changed to have meaningful decisions and gameplay rather than giving them as many stats as they can afford, they mostly would not stat check anymore

ty buff bruisers

31 Comments

Noxious BlasttAug 30, 20174 votes

item 3009 item 3111 item 2138 Omg cc too op

item 3800 item 3022 item 3025 item 3143 item 3742 Omg ranged champs OP

item 3044 Omg I'm too slow to keep up with a ranged

item 3078 item 3748 Omg adcs are so mandatory they can take turrets faster than anyone else and i can't split push

item 3194 item 3190 item 3155 item 3091 Omg mages are so good they can throw spells from range omg riot

RIOT PLS BUFF BRUISERS THEY HAVE NO ITEMIZATION TO COUNTER OTHER CLASSES

Mens Hair ClubAug 30, 201710 votes

phage ice born and mallet countering ranged champs LOL

worst straw man I've seen yet

Noxious BlasttAug 30, 20171 votes

Laughing out LOUDE dude :)

AirKingNeoAug 30, 20173 votes

You don't get Elixir until 4-5 items. You can't build Swiftness or Mercs because not having Ninja Tabi makes ADCs melt you.

Righteous GLory is stopped by frontline. Frozen Mallet is a ranged champion item. Iceborn is tanks only, not bruisers. Omen is their own grace and ONLY. Deadman's sucks.

Locket isn't bruiser item. Hexdrinker isn't a bruiser item because Maw + Sterak's was deleted. Wit's End is unusable.

Mens Hair ClubAug 30, 20173 votes

it's not worth trying to explain it to these jabronis

SzGamer227Aug 31, 20171 votes

Tenacity and slow resist is really useful against the knockups and displacements that 60% of champions have.

LordGeovanniSep 1, 20171 votes

wait how does a health scaling item help me with destroying towers.

Oerba No NajaSep 1, 20171 votes

Titanic gives you a better waweclear , obviously u get faster to turret , and it gives a auto reset .

LordGeovanniSep 1, 20171 votes

that isnt helping destroy the towers that is helping push to towers where the enemy could just as well have waveclear.

Oerba No NajaSep 1, 20171 votes

IF THERE IS A ENEMY WHO WAWECLEAR U DONT SPLIT PUSH , GETTING FASTER TO TURRET WITH A BONUS AUTO ALONE ON A LANE MAKES YOU PUSHING FASTER , ITS JUST LOGIC

ABlueQuakerAug 31, 20172 votes

Riot needs to not be too scared to add melee specific passives to items. I would be more than happy to see item 3812 item 3046 (% Damage Reduction and % Damage Delay) be less effective for ranged champions (or more effective for melee). Riot could do the same thing with item 3047 Damage Reduction from Basic Attacks and item 3111 Tenacity.

There are so many things Riot could do to items that ADCs abuse if they're willing to tweak their passives in favour of Melee champions.

DragonSheaAug 30, 20171 votes

decisions decisions.

Mens Hair ClubAug 30, 20175 votes

decision is to buff bruisers

DragonSheaAug 30, 20171 votes

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decision is to buff bruisers

Decisions on what passive would be nice.

Mens Hair ClubAug 30, 20172 votes

actives would be preferred but I wouldn't complain of sterak got a few seconds of CC reduction

Shadow HazardAug 30, 20171 votes

An effect i think would be good would be to make a new hydra that causes your on hits do damage to the cleaved targets too. It would make it into something like a runaans for melee's.

SpoofghoulAug 31, 20171 votes

Imagine that on Sion's passive alongside mallet

Shadow HazardSep 1, 20171 votes

but then he loses out on titanic since you can't stack the hydra's. I was thinking of the benefit that it would be on a bunch of the ex melee devourer champs.

AirKingNeoAug 30, 20171 votes

Who are you and why are you so smart?

Mens Hair ClubAug 30, 20172 votes

im a ghost from the past risen from the grave

Elkington VIAug 31, 20171 votes

I'm all for adding tenacity/slow resistance and removing CDR, but it's almost impossible for bruiser itemization to be good without another class abusing it and getting it nerfed. I've yet to see it happen.

Also, I think this might be the first time in League history that tank itemization has been strong, yet bruisers haven't directly benefited from it. I think bruiser itemization needs to have more actives, along with tenacity. It's the only way the immobile ones can keep up with how the game has evolved (or devolved, depending on how you look at it).

kasfasAug 31, 20171 votes

The problem is tank itemization ISN'T strong. Tank items are ass, they just massively over buffed the individual champions to compensate for their ass items. If you want to do this to bruisers too it would work, but that leads us down a slippery slope to where items have essentially no value and removing build and play diversity on individual champs.

Mens Hair ClubAug 31, 20172 votes

some bruisers should be item reliant

the problem is how shitty riot's itemization actually is, to where anything that isn't crit is a snowball build and that's reflected in all champs besides ADCs. they need to undo a shitload of item changes and removals from years back that shit on tank/bruiser scaling in favor of faster power-spikes and give us back some of the items that let us scale proper if we were willing to opt into more expensive builds

Elkington VIAug 31, 20171 votes

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The problem is tank itemization ISN'T strong. Tank items are ass, they just massively over buffed the individual champions to compensate for their ass items. If you want to do this to bruisers too it would work, but that leads us down a slippery slope to where items have essentially no value and removing build and play diversity on individual champs.

I think you might be right. I was playing a Sion game earlier and still blowing up with a full tank build (while tickling people with my damage), but with Cho'gath I can go full tank and still kill things. So yeah, itemization isn't particularly strong, it's just individual champs.

kasfasAug 31, 20171 votes

Sion was one of those champs who got rediculous buffs. Now he's not ass anymore, but his items still are. But since you bring him up, I'll use him as an example.

Tl;Dr at bottom.

Think about this: before the buffs, sion would get around 400 bonus hp at 20 minutes, and would generally reach 800 hp by 40 minutes leaving him with about 2500 hp without items.

Now, sion can easily break 600 hp by 20 minutes and almost 1000 by 30 minutes. This gives him 2700 hp without items, 200 more hp, 10 minutes EARLIER.

He is likely to have 1200+ hp at 40 minutes, and all this hp just makes it easier to enter lane and into fights which will give him even MORE hp. Thus, he can possibly have 3000 hp without items by 40 minutes. That's INSANE. That buff is absolutely mind bogglingly MASSIVE, and it just managed to put him back to his power level BEFORE the tank rework.

Now if there was ANY better example I would use it, but this is honestly the best way to show how absolutely awful the tank update really was.

That is also why I couldn't play any tank since the update. It was actually more painful than having a migraine (like I thought that was possible). I only play league with my friends now because it has become so unfun that I need someone to cheer me up while I try to play. I won't go on any more because now I'm just ranting.

Tl;Dr The massive sion buffs are a very clear indication that the tank update and all of its items suck.

Elkington VIAug 31, 20171 votes

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Sion was one of those champs who got rediculous buffs. Now he's not ass anymore, but his items still are. But since you bring him up, I'll use him as an example.

Tl;Dr at bottom.

Think about this: before the buffs, sion would get around 400 bonus hp at 20 minutes, and would generally reach 800 hp by 40 minutes leaving him with about 2500 hp without items.

Now, sion can easily break 600 hp by 20 minutes and almost 1000 by 30 minutes. This gives him 2700 hp without items, 200 more hp, 10 minutes EARLIER.

He is likely to have 1200+ hp at 40 minutes, and all this hp just makes it easier to enter lane and into fights which will give him even MORE hp. Thus, he can possibly have 3000 hp without items by 40 minutes. That's INSANE. That buff is absolutely mind bogglingly MASSIVE, and it just managed to put him back to his power level BEFORE the tank rework.

Now if there was ANY better example I would use it, but this is honestly the best way to show how absolutely awful the tank update really was.

That is also why I couldn't play any tank since the update. It was actually more painful than having a migraine (like I thought that was possible). I only play league with my friends now because it has become so unfun that I need someone to cheer me up while I try to play. I won't go on any more because now I'm just ranting.

Tl;Dr The massive sion buffs are a very clear indication that the tank update and all of its items suck.

I did notice I had a ton of HP earlier than normal. I'm going to do some experimenting, but I'm thinking it might be more cost effective to build mostly damage on him (after 1-2 hp/defensive items), at least right now.

SzGamer227Aug 31, 20171 votes

Phage's passive does this to some extent. Buffing this would feel really good as a start.

There needs to be more ways to counter getting cc locked too, and it has to be useful against knockups and displacements.

Mens Hair ClubAug 31, 20172 votes

phage is useless as far as the ranged v melee matchup goes

outside of killing a minion and then trying to rush the ranged it's not going to do you many favors

SzGamer227Aug 31, 20171 votes

That's why I said a buff would be nice. XD

Tychusfindlay918Sep 1, 20171 votes

One of the biggest problems is that bruisers, especially juggernauts, inherently need a lot of durability mixed with a lot of damage from the items they like to buy.

And it's sad because juggernauts aren't just stat sticks with no counterplay, Darius is a shining example of a juggernaut with loads of counterplay. But he still needs to have big stat stick items like cleaver in order to function.

Mens Hair ClubSep 1, 20171 votes

bruisers especially juggernauts should get huge boosts to their base stats (it's laughable that they're even remotely close to some ADCs in terms of lvl 18 defensive bases) and items that let them cover up key weaknesses with actives ( cancer CC chains most importantly, since we can opt into a raw tank item for anti-kite. miss old randuin's though )