immobile melee champs with no CC but garen has less base armor than ashe
not to mention darius is way ahead of his peers in this category
here's the ball park any jugg should be in here (excluding mord)
hp: about 2400-2600 armor about 90-110 MR is fine
this is the truth
This is wrongggg
Juggernauts should have the best base offensive stats.
That way they are encouraged to build tanky while still having massive damage.
Their tank stats should be lower than that of a mega tank's, but high enough to be decently tanky with a bruiser item (Cleaver) first.
Garen technically has lower base armour than Ashe but he actually gets armour from his W.
http://i.imgur.com/0lxIbvh.jpg
Hmmm, after close inspection it looks like they might need some buffs.
Ranged champs should have lower movement speed than melee champs. Most of the Marksmen items give % movement speed which allow them to kite. If not they also have 
for more efficient kiting. I dont see why at the start of the game 
should have the same movespeed as 
.
Garen gets 30 armor and 30 mr from W. Sure it's part of a mini quest, but he'll get all of it eventually. Let them have the best offensive stats, rather than best stats overall. Best defensive stats should still go to pure tanks.
As resilient as juggernauts are supposed to be, they're still off-tanks.
That's cause they are supposed to build tanky.
Darius has no CC? He's immobile?
Uh did you know that his passive procs Black Cleaver ?
Did you know that he has a mini-stun after his pull?
Did you know that his W is an insane slow?
Oh and that 1 mastery that gives him insane movement speed... Hardly something I'd call "IMMOBILE"
I believe most of the juggernauts have huge base stats.They just need better fighter items and/or nerfed adcansers with supports.
Garen also has an ability that gives him 30 armor and MR passively, which he can activate for 80% Tenacity and damage reduction, dropping to 30% damage reduction after .75 seconds. He tends to build a lot of armor as well.
Ashe, on the other hand, is arguably the least mobile champion in League, and has jack shit for armor itemization. The only armor item remotely viable for her is 
, which is the item with arguably the worst stats in the game, only made useful by its passive, and which has a shit build path, so you can't even just sit on the armor for a while. She pays 2400 gold and a slot for stats Garen gets in his kit.
And, let's be serious: base stats are highly deceptive. Ahri has higher base AD, AD growth, base AS, and AS growth than Jinx does. Ahri's base stats mean that she should be a better ADC than Jinx, an actual ADC. Yet Ahri is not considered a meta ADC.
