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Another Blitz crank game....another loss.

StoryDuck··4 votes·1,505 views

Rant Ahead, read at own risk.

How do people lose as Blitzcrank? I'm curious. I mean, he has the most powerful ability in the game that pretty much a sure kill on anyone it hits. You need god like reflexes to dodge it if they flash Q. Oh, and if he misses? No biggy, he was super far away to begin with so no risk on him he just needs to back off for a bit. Time and time again, game after game. If Blitz is in the game, bar getting super snowballed, he wins. I've seen games where he hooks Amumu and wins the team the game. Let's not forget you have to abandon the entire jungle when a blitz invades because you know someone will die if you don't. In lane, hes so fucking powerful that he doesn't even need to use his Q to zone you completely away from minions, he just needs to threaten it. If by some miracle you make it through laning without giving over 4-10 kills to his OP bullshit you then have to deal with the fact he can put people so far outta position that there is no chance of survival. Your team can do NOTHING except go all in to try and save you and 7/10 times they can't do that either. Every champion in this game allows you to respond to their abilities after they land. Sure, you might be CC'd for a bit but you were never so far away that no one on your team can do anything. When blitzcrank is in a game he instantly puts me on tilt because I know that as a support player I can do NOTHING to save my ally. I have no way of saving them, or rescuing them, and the same goes for if I get hooked with Q. This puts me on tilt because there is no worse feeling then the feeling you can do NOTHING. That is what Blitzcrank makes me feel, powerless, useless, and that I feel like I am wasting my time playing League. No other champion in this game makes me hate playing LOL but blitzcrank does. I ban him every game I can and sure enough if I don't (because I listened to my allies and banned their request) some asshat feels the need to pick him, so as much as there are other champions that need bans Blitzcrank will continue to never see the light of day in a game with me do to how unfun he makes this game for me. I will not ever again change my ban unless blitzcrank gets a rework away from the completely game breaking ability his Q is.

35 Comments

Mig894 votes

Want to know how to beat blitz? Side Step. Stand behind a minion. Stand behind a tank. Hes literally useless if you put your juke boots on. Literally useless. (figuratively)

meowwow71 votes

or yet trust the taric

Kai Guy2 votes

Even if he was useless in lane, gold starved, lands one hook and boom his team stands to win. That threat is frustrating, losing a game because your APC or ADC got hooked 1 time where it freaking mattered is frustrating.

Mig892 votes

But that is Blitz' only play. Almost any other champ can bring more to the table. Blitz is literally praying someone mis-positions themselves and allows him to land that Q. I see blitz being a well balanced champion because of it. Hes feast or famine by design. If nothing else, he should teach people how to ward because getting blindly hooked from a brush or over a wall is his strongest ability.

KiwiKilYa1 votes

that's exactly why they don't play blitz in lcs, he doesn't bring anything but the hook, thresh on the other hand has the hook and much much more.

rtbf2216514122 votes

How do you lose against a blitzcrank when you can ward, minion block, zone, peel, and not play dumb?

Once he uses his abilities, he's useless for x amount of seconds.

StoryDuck4 votes

I do all those things and a good Blitzcrank player doesn't waste Q. Downvote me if you want but the fact remains I HATE LOL when he is in a game. He takes all feeling of control and fun out of LOL for me. So suck it up if your a blitz player and accept that I will always ban him. I hate every single thing about this champion. I see no redeeming points in allowing him in a game. I have to change my style of game to one I hate when he plays. I legitimately stand and do nothing when he lands a Q because wtf can I do? ADC already dead with his combo+whoever was near.

rtbf2216514121 votes

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I do all those things and a good Blitzcrank player doesn't waste Q. Downvote me if you want but the fact remains I HATE LOL when he is in a game. He takes all feeling of control and fun out of LOL for me. So suck it up if your a blitz player and accept that I will always ban him. I hate every single thing about this champion. I see no redeeming points in allowing him in a game. I have to change my style of game to one I hate when he plays. I legitimately stand and do nothing when he lands a Q because wtf can I do? ADC already dead with his combo+whoever was near.

If you were a good player and the blitz was a good player, you wouldn't get pulled and blitz wouldn't be able to Q.

I even go Soraka against him and win. And that is a 'bad' match up apparently.

StoryDuck2 votes

I guess I just imagine that I'm in Diamond rank then. I'm not saying I'm the best player in the world (I still have lots to learn) and any other champion in this game I can play around but blitzcrank? Nothing. I have been playing for over 4 years and he is still the only champion that I can do nothing against. There is no real counterplay to him beyond LOL ROFL dodge his Q. Have you ever seen a guide that didn't say wait for his Q to be down before fighting? Have you ever seen any information at all in the entire history of this game that gives a couterplay strategy for him that doesn't involve dodge Q? There is a reason for that, the ability is badly designed to such a fault that hit or miss decides all. Hit = you win fight, miss = wait and kite back so there isn't an all in on you. I can dodge 9/10 Qs from him but eventually one will hit and that will cost the fight.

rtbf2216514121 votes

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I guess I just imagine that I'm in Diamond rank then. I'm not saying I'm the best player in the world (I still have lots to learn) and any other champion in this game I can play around but blitzcrank? Nothing. I have been playing for over 4 years and he is still the only champion that I can do nothing against. There is no real counterplay to him beyond LOL ROFL dodge his Q. Have you ever seen a guide that didn't say wait for his Q to be down before fighting? Have you ever seen any information at all in the entire history of this game that gives a couterplay strategy for him that doesn't involve dodge Q? There is a reason for that, the ability is badly designed to such a fault that hit or miss decides all. Hit = you win fight, miss = wait and kite back so there isn't an all in on you. I can dodge 9/10 Qs from him but eventually one will hit and that will cost the fight.

I'm bronze and I'm still saying he is easy.

Lul dodge his Q?

What happened to minion block?

What happened to bad matchups?

Are you sure you were not boosted?

StoryDuck3 votes

I'm bronze and I'm still saying he is easy.

That right there explains why he is easy for you.

rtbf2216514121 votes

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That right there explains why he is easy for you.

What? Soraka isn't countered by blitz?

https://na.op.gg/champion/blitzcrank/statistics/support/matchup

Pick and choose harder.

Deny minion block harder.

Ignore pecentiles harder.

He has 53.86% winrate in diamond. 52.15% for Soraka. Much difference. Such wow. Meanwhile Diamond has teamwork.

He has 51.11% winrate in bronze. 49.38% for Soraka. Add that to being countered by Blitzcrank, lowering it even more. Then add lack of teamwork ability. Guess which elo is harder to use Soraka in assuming skill is the same on both teams?

Try harder next time.

Kai Guy1 votes

So there is still the other 8 people in the game you got to look at. One derp from a teammates gonna be bad, one good play from blitzs teammates, and its gonna be bad. The issues not how many times he misses a Q because that rarely cost him much. Its about when he lands one that matters, and if he is a good blitz that will happen.

rtbf2216514122 votes

[{quoted}](name=Kai Guy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=yoHJq9dz,comment-id=0001000000000001,timestamp=2017-06-21T19:40:14.830+0000)

So there is still the other 8 people in the game you got to look at. One derp from a teammates gonna be bad, one good play from blitzs teammates, and its gonna be bad. The issues not how many times he misses a Q because that rarely cost him much. Its about when he lands one that matters, and if he is a good blitz that will happen.

Minion block is still a think no matter how hard you guys deny it.

Kai Guy1 votes

Politely that does not address the issue of what happens when he lands a Q that matters. Minion blocks a key mechanic to have when dealing with skillshot reliant champions in lane, its a good mechanic every player should learn. I don't really understand what point your trying to make here by bring it up thou mate.

In league you wont always have a wall of disposable meat shields. Lets list a few situations, enemy sends any of their other players bot for the 2 v 3. A lane is being pushed and your wave is dead. Any jungle objective, rift barron dragons. You wanna contest vision? good luck, you had better have an eye on blitz... which would require you to keep up vision.

I feel like I can speak for the op here when I say this, the problem with blitz is not that there is no counter play. its that the pros when things work for him grossly outweigh the cons, and that the best counter play to him is in the lobby instead of in the actual game. (pick a counter or ban him.) Its that the other champions in game who fulfill a similar role rely on items for stuff he gets in his kit for free. Its that of the champs who can throw a hook his displacement (old code brings them to him not the cast location) is the highest but he has no broadcast.

A few updates to his code, some number changes and he would be fine, even with out reworking his kit.

As things stand I feel that my only options currently are. 1.Ban him, play the supports I enjoy. 2.Don't ban him, play the supports I enjoy and hope he does not get picked as it will make lane a bitch. 3.Pick him early and hope no one grabs hard counters something rare as he is quite hated, spend game doing best to make it thru lane phase (cuz with out his Q he really does not have a kit for supporting) then either make a big play and team loves me, or be unable to do so and deal with all the salt GG BLITZ USLESS. 4. Pick him late and hope he goes unpicked by them, then snag him and be a dick to enemy team all game. The only option on this list that is any fun for me involving him being in a match. 5.Wait, enemy picks him and I'm forced to play a hard counter to him to ensure my carries will remain relevant, do my best to counter him all game, and hope to god their jungle is a non factor most of lane phase.

rtbf2216514122 votes

[{quoted}](name=Kai Guy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=yoHJq9dz,comment-id=000100000000000100000000,timestamp=2017-06-21T20:48:47.868+0000)

Politely that does not address the issue of what happens when he lands a Q that matters. Minion blocks a key mechanic to have when dealing with skillshot reliant champions in lane, its a good mechanic every player should learn. I don't really understand what point your trying to make here by bring it up thou mate.

Because he's useless after one minion block? ONE MINION makes him useless for quite a while?

Kai Guy1 votes

We seem to be coming from different starting points. I am assuming that players are mechanically going to be using minion waves when ever possible to block Any skill shots that can be minion blocked, regardless of what that ability is. Its an expectation of mine for folks to use basic game mechanics. I hope that has cleared up your misunderstanding with the op and me. Let me reinforce this again we are aware of this minion block you speak off. I'm going to elaborate here some more and mention that on top of just minion block due to other factors in the game we get that his Q will not land 100% of the time even when the enemy blitz is a very very very good blitz.

So new question for ya, his best case situations, the ones when he lands skillshot when it matters. Is this something you have not personally seen?

Kai Guy1 votes

Its not a matter of not playing dumb, or winning lane. Its that his initiation is so safe that you can completely disregard his items and it still would be impactful when used right with putting him in any danger, and he gets access to the core of this from level 1.

Its about the unfairness of his best case plays compared your best case. He can still peel for an adc even with Q on cd, his initiation just gets weaker, its got no cost for blitz other then he is temporarily less of a threat. Course if we are arguing all his ability's are on cd and that makes him useless for X amount of seconds, well so what? That's true for every single ability oriented champion.

MaeDoSan2 votes

What's worse than a blizcrank , is a support who is afraid of poking and zoning against a blizcrank and just cowers behind the ADC in lane

StoryDuck1 votes

Lol, I'm pretty aggressive. You can't just play passive and make it to Diamond. You can't really zone blitzcrank out when he has his Q up because if you get hit you die just as much as the ADC.

Kai Guy1 votes

I'm freaking aggressive on supports. If your not his counters he makes life hell regardless playstyle. Some times their blitz is not good, and then its all groovy the games not a nightmare. But when they are skilled I have nothing but pure hate for them.

Jo0o1 votes

He aight.

StoryDuck4 votes

people say Yasuo is cancer, I say Blitzcrank created him.

J4 Ulted Mexico1 votes

How do you lose with blitzcrank? Pull the wrong person ...

StoryDuck1 votes

I just had a game where blitz pulled Amumu into his team and won. Wanna know why? He did it over a wall preventing any follow up. Sure it would backfire if he did it randomly but at Diamond rank they don't do that.

Mig891 votes

So your diamond amumu mis positioned himself, got caught, and blitz is the problem?

abca981 votes

Wanna make blitzcrank feel as miserable as you? Sivir Morgana Botlane, or a team with several hard cc tanks, so he can't q in case he grabs one of them and fucks the teamfight.

Yes, you can't push the lane or he will q you into his tower, but hey it has a high mana cost and a long cd (20 secs early and 100 mana). So in that time you can simply harass him any time he goes to last hit.

StoryDuck2 votes

Well, unfortunately my last game he counterpicked me. Also, I don't really enjoy Morgana as much as other supports, If I saw a blitz I would take her anyway because I feel I have to as she is the only way to deal with him.

meowwow72 votes

taric is also fun to use against him since if he tries to grab someone link onto them and e from them to stun him and his allies

abca981 votes

I'm sorry, man :/ We all have THAT champ we can't stand, but hey, think positive: 10 bans! :P

Limmie1 votes

If you think Blitz is bad, try playing against him on a high ping.

Nahui1 votes

Well due to the new ban system, you don't ever have to face blitz ever again in your life if you so choose too.

But blitz really is a one-trick champion, and I don't mean it in a sense of a player only playing him or you need to one trick him to be good, but rather he exists in the game to do one singular thing. Pull.

His damage is god awful besides an initial burst on the squishiest of targets (like most champs). He's not tanky, even with his occasional passive proc. He's not too mobile to be honest, not since the gave him a slow after his speed up.

If he misses his Q, he's about useless. All he can do is knock someone up if they get to the ADC and a tiny bit of burst. After that, it's just a long time of auto attacking.

He's balanced strictly around feast or famine. Land the Q? Great. Things will probably go your way. Miss it? It's a 4v5 for a while.

Kai Guy1 votes

As a support main blitz is my most frequent ban. The only real counter play is to pick and play champions who counter him. Low elo he destroys folks who don't know his kit or how to dodge. High elo he destroys, because the players got mechanics and don't just toss Qs randomly at max range and utilize the other ability's in his kit to make some ones day hell. Blitz is one of a handful of champions that when I see them in game my thoughts are, well shit hope that player sucks.

Even if you can dodge every q, and your ADC jukes them all as well, and hes just a potato during lane. Once team fights break out all he needs is to land it on your teammates who matter, or wait for his team to clip anyone with some cc. Blitz is an initiator who forces fights that are grossly in his teams favor off an ability he gets at level 1 that can have a huge impact regardless of his gold or build. He Is classified as "catcher" but here's a lil quote from riot on that role " a Although not as reliant on their friends as Enchanters, the fragile and immobile Catchers greatly benefit from allied presence - both to deter incoming danger and to help capitalize on targets they’ve locked down" The crank master is neither fragile or immobile.

I think part of the problem is that he is an old champion. His kits not really a support kit, its got the hybrid remnants from early development where champions ability's had their damage only scale off AP as opposed to the more Role specific Scaling's we have now. He was riots take on a Dota Pudge style champion, which is a strong champion in that game as well but there's some key differences in lol and dota. Most notably the large amount of point and click CC with a long duration in dota.

So yea, I relate Jharr, some updates to the Great Steam Golem would be nice. Embracing him as a catcher and reworking his kit to fit that roles an option. Or if cleanse stopped the pull. Currently it removes the 0.5 stun currently so you can use a dash or flash to get out but that's still huge trade in his favor. Introduce a support item that allows ya to spell shield allies (something I want for the role in general not exclusively for blitz.) Also would love it if they changed Power fist from a uppercut into a slam removing the knock up and replacing it with a Snare, stun, slow, any CC that is affected by tenacity .

warpenguin5551 votes

It's not too hard to lose games on Blitzcrank because all he can do is hook.

I Love Thresh1 votes

counterpick with morg/some cc/meatshield support, bait and dodge his q, that's all there is to it and it's pretty simple

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