PSA: Your team comp matters in EVERY single mode

DuskDaUmbreon··5 votes·1,210 views

I see this far too often. A team of squishies, because top and jg think "team comp doesn't matter, it's only normals. lul go play ranked u tryhard".

Well. Thing is, their team has the slightest chance of having an assassin, or of having anyone with lethality, or any kind of burst whatsoever? Congratulations, you need a tank. I recently lost a game to a goddamned lethality Sion, because we had no tank to block him and eat the damage. Nobody to CC him. And I've lost countless others to not having a tank.

Simply put: You can't afford to not have a tank. It being a normals match doesn't change that at all. It being a normals match doesn't magically change the meta.

#In every match, you need a tank, unless their team has no burst capabilities at all.

Oh. And, of course, that's not possible anymore. Since Lethality is a thing, anyone can theoretically buy it and burst you. And, yes, if you have no tank, if anyone on their team is intelligent, they will buy some burst. Malphite will go full AP. Sion will build lethality. They will pick an assassin. Or two. Or three.

Those rare times where you see tankless teams win? Half the time, luck. The rest of the time? Serious coordination. Said coordination does not work in soloQ, because it doesn't exist. Your marksman needs to be able to peel himself, or the enemy team needs to be obliterated before they can get anywhere close to your marksman. Otherwise, it's a permanent 4v5, because your marksman won't be able to do anything. And neither will any teammate that requires peeling. You essentially screw yourself over, and you lose in champion select.

Note: Your fun is less important than the other four people's fun. Nobody gets to screw over anybody on their team for their own personal amusement - that's what trolling is. So, no. You having fun does not excuse you completely screwing over your team.

21 Comments

TiltoverEnforcer3 votes

Nah, I play what I want in normals. I'd like to see you stop me. [slayer-jinx-wink]

DuskDaUmbreon1 votes

I think your constant losses should stop you.

S V 3 votes

Inb4 Downvotes / Don't be a hypocrite complaining about Tanks when you don't go the role for it

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At first I thought this was going to be one of those Teamwork OP kind of threads but it was far from it. Even worse, you're complaining about normal games where people don't have to be as stressed as a ranked game environment. You want tanks? Play tanks yourself. Still complaining? Head to ranked. It has a better chance of tanks there anyway. Are you really trying to credit the teams that win without tanks to luck and coordination? No it's game knowledge/wisdom and actual raw skill. To get out of Bronze stop typing at the keyboard at how other people have to improve and work with a meta and instead fix yourself and better adapt to the game.

DuskDaUmbreon1 votes

...I think you're missing the long stretch of games where I played Shen, Galio, Kled, Sion, and Poppy in top, and when I played Blitzcrank Leona and Taric support.

#In fact, it shows my top 3 most played ranked champions as tanks.

Including a 73% win rate on Leona!

Don't bother trying to say I don't play tanks. Because that's not true. Hell, I have to play tanks because I can't trust my team to be competent enough to pick one.

Most of my recent games have been mid and bot. Mid has exactly one tank: Galio. And he's not even mid most of the time. ADC has precisely zero tanks. Tell me how I'm supposed to tank as the designated squishy role?

Still complaining? Head to ranked. It has a better chance of tanks there anyway.

Garbage, pointless advice. Most League players don't play ranked, anyways.

Even worse, you're complaining about normal games where people don't have to be as stressed as a ranked game environment.

Doesn't matter. You do not have the right to throw a game for anyone for your fun.

Are you really trying to credit the teams that win without tanks to luck and coordination?

Yes. Because that's all it is. Either you have the luck to be matched against people several divisions below your entire team, and you curb stomp them, or you have the coordination to run a team dedicated to split-pushing.

To get out of Bronze stop typing at the keyboard at how other people have to improve and work with a meta and instead fix yourself and better adapt to the game.

Who says I give a shit about my rank? Who says I even bother to grind rank?

For all you know, I play precisely 10 ranked games a season, for the sole purpose of figuring out where it put me. Most people don't even bother with that much.

and better adapt to the game.

Breaking news! Apparently, you're at fault if your team picks Lee, Yasuo, Zed, and Talon, into their Leona, Shen, Katarina, Tristana, and Elise!

FatedSaviour2 votes

a good play can overcome bad team comp in norms who needs an adc when you have full ap nami who needs a tank when you have a full ad morg top who needs good team when you can win lane buy a mej and carry get good and learn being good is better than having a good comp (both if pref tho)

S V 2 votes

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...I think you're missing the long stretch of games where I played Shen, Galio, Kled, Sion, and Poppy in top, and when I played Blitzcrank Leona and Taric support.

#In fact, it shows my top 3 most played ranked champions as tanks.

Including a 73% win rate on Leona!

Don't bother trying to say I don't play tanks. Because that's not true. Hell, I have to play tanks because I can't trust my team to be competent enough to pick one.

Most of my recent games have been mid and bot. Mid has exactly one tank: Galio. And he's not even mid most of the time. ADC has precisely zero tanks. Tell me how I'm supposed to tank as the designated squishy role?

Garbage, pointless advice. Most League players don't play ranked, anyways.

Doesn't matter. You do not have the right to throw a game for anyone for your fun.

Yes. Because that's all it is. Either you have the luck to be matched against people several divisions below your entire team, and you curb stomp them, or you have the coordination to run a team dedicated to split-pushing.

Who says I give a shit about my rank? Who says I even bother to grind rank?

For all you know, I play precisely 10 ranked games a season, for the sole purpose of figuring out where it put me. Most people don't even bother with that much.

Breaking news! Apparently, you're at fault if your team picks Lee, Yasuo, Zed, and Talon, into their Leona, Shen, Katarina, Tristana, and Elise!

You wanna be dull and dimwitted mudslinging left and right your insults and tunnel visioned perspective of the game that's fine by me. This is my last attempt anyways on this thread to educate on ignoramus about how the League Community doesn't revolve around you. I did main mid and to win the games I had to outplay the opponent, ward coverage properly, and play around enemy jungle pathing so that I could gank the other lanes and give them leads. ADC I have to outplay opponents or just power farm and roam with the team like an actual team player and in teamfights you're not supposed to be depending on your team to peel for your sorry bum, I peel for myself and position correctly as any ADC main should be. You belittle your teammates capacity to play their roles and win without having the least shred of faith and you apparently see nothing wrong with this. Keep bragging about not only having Bronze high winrate games but also LEONA 73% winrate in those games just laughable really.

  1. Rank does definitely matter if you want to have your precious players who go tank to win the game. a) It's a stressed environment so players are more inclined to play META winning roles to adapt to the game's composition. b) You get MMR that Matches you with better teammates and people who are skilled that want to win. c) You trying to use some "Garbage, pointless advice" insults on me? Mind your place boy. Ask the majority of the Riot community and see who they would rather listen to. A Bronze 2 Player that rants about his team? Or a Diamond that actually has experience in every role, every champ, and most of the game scenarios here? The question is rhetorical.

  2. You're explicitly trying to whine about how people that don't fill for tanks are throwing a game and pretty much ruining You're fun. a) Do you know what Normals is? Players don't have to go META champs and can enjoy more variety and finish missions etc. b) To have you go and probably flame with that short temper of yours pretty much tryharding in a normal game is what ruins those normal games. c) This ties in to why ranked should be played ---> Better zealous teammates = Higher MMR = Do Ranked idiot.

  3. Luck doesn't make consistent wins. Luck doesn't make better people. Luck doesn't provide an excuse to generalize your complaints about matchmaking teammates. a) One of the benefits of League is that players are allowed to be rewarded for their skill and play style. Nowhere in this do I see people get rewarded for being a whiny ignorant bum that tries to change the community than change himself. Adapt to the game.

  4. Sit down before you even try to mention anything about ranked when you have only played 2 seasons 7th Season inclusive. a ) Literally everything from 1. applies here

  5. Does it look like I'm talking about picks here? Tried to be considerate and tell you to better adapt but apparently you don't understand. a) Flame and shit talking to me or your teammates doesn't get you jack in League of Legends so shut up for once and listen. b) You should know by now from at least 1 Season experience people don't give a damn about your complaints about how they have to follow your every given command as if they were peasants to your pope role. They play what makes them enjoy the game and you trying to tell others to play differently to better adapt to your precious meta is complete and utter bull. Normal games don't rank or grind or leave anything significant for your rank so why should people be all geared to win the game as much as you? Because losing isn't fun? Then go find teammates that actually care about the game in Cough Ranked games.

  6. You can't see how stupid it is to tell/mandate/try and force others to play champions they don't feel comfortable with/aren't in the mood for and ,on top of this, might be playing those positions since you currently have their favorite role. Being stubborn, condescending, and aggressive towards your teammates gets you next to nowhere and judging from your "figuring out where it will put me" in your Bronze placements and Ranked games, I don't see any reason to prove my point further :^)

EbonyBladeJ883 votes

B-But I do play tanks...

Juggernauts (They're tanks, in a manner of speaking Darius Garen Yorick )

Along with some ACTUAL tanks... Shen , Sion , Poppy to name a few.

Wh-what am I doing wrong? [sg-soraka]

But in all seriousness, yes, you're right. You can't afford NOT to have a tank, be it an off-tank ala the Juggernauts (Or even Divers if you build them tanky enough) or a full-blooded Vanguard or Warden via the ones I listed or others that you might fancy as your choice champs.

Heck, I don't even have a problem with Off-Meta tanks, just HAVE A TANK FOR CRYING OUT LOUD!

The problem I often have is the people I get (I play Norms for the most part, so take this as you will) is when I'm doing my job taking a beating, no one seems to follow up. I could initiate in the PERFECT way, and my fellows stare at me like I'm an exhibit at a zoo.

Then I die and they wonder why they lose the team-fights. Sorry, went on a tangent.

Geauxx2 votes

my last game had a jayce/ezreal/gangplank/jhin on one team, guess how that went.

DuskDaUmbreon1 votes

hugs I'm so sorry, man. I'm so sorry. I know that feeling too well.

GrievousFetus2 votes

No. You lock in top, pick Jayce, 1v9 and carry harder.

Also, you cannot tell your teammates what to pick. You're advocating for picking half of top lane's roster to be a reportable offense.

DuskDaUmbreon2 votes

Telling them what to pick isn't the same thing as telling them to not do what amounts to a troll pick.

It's no different from saying "Don't pick Teemo ADC", or "Someone needs to bring some magic damage, or we'll lose".

Just because top doesn't pick a tank is fine. Squishy tops are 100% alright. The problem is when you have a Yasuo top, Lee jg, Zed mid, Sona support, and you're stuck as an ADC with no peel. Meaning you cease to exist until the enemy team puts you out of your misery.

No, seriously. Go play any ADC but Vayne, Tristana, or Xayah (the only three who actually have any kind of anti-diver qualities) without having a tank. Existence will be pain for the next 12-20 minutes. Even if you're a busted-ass champion, you'll still be effectively useless.

Top being squishy: Fine. Everyone being squishy: Not fine. And since top is the primarily expected tank...

GrievousFetus2 votes

No, I absolutely refuse to cave to any implications that you must compromise your intended pick for the wishes of your teammates.

DuskDaUmbreon1 votes

Fine. Then cave to an incoming ten percent winrate, because that's roughly what you'll get with never having a tank.

FatedSaviour2 votes

unless you intend to troll or int, then you're not trolling, if you believe you are helping your team win, then you cant be reported, then you play full ap nami mid and go 11/2/(i forget the assists)

Meriipu1 votes

m-muh "we have no tank gg ff@15"

DuskDaUmbreon2 votes

Well, you won't have to surrender at 15. Why?

Because their Katarina has already gotten three pentas by then, and your nexus has been destroyed before you could surrender.

FatedSaviour1 votes

it doesnt take a tank to stop kat, just anyone with cc, annie, vayne, trist can even avoid the zone, skill trumps comp

FatedSaviour1 votes

ive done 5 man premade in norms draft get ready for it won 5 mages 5 tank 5 assasin 5 marksman (unfortunately havent won 5 enchanter yet) you dont always need a tank, you just need a means of teamfight

5 V1 votes

Shh he's a bronzie. He can't possibly understand game mechanics

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