Any Reason to do this to Leona?

StoryDuck··48 votes·22,858 views

Alistar Base Armor increased from 24.38 to 44

Bard Base armor increased from 25 to 34

Blitzcrank Base armor increased from 24.38 to 44

Nautilus Base AD increased from 57.544 to 65.54 Base armor increased from 26.46 to 35.46

Nami Base armor increased from 19.72 to 29

Janna Base armor increased from 19.384 to 28

Lulu Base armor increased from 19.216 to 28.22

Rakan Base AD increased from 62 to 70 Base armor increased from 24 to 36

Sona Base Armor increased from 20.544 to 30

Soraka Base armor increased from 23.384 to 32

Tahm Kench Base armor increased from 27 to 47

Taric Base armor increased from 25 to 45 Dazzle (E) damage increased from 100/145/190/235/280 to 105/150/195/240/285

Thresh Base AD increased from 47.696 to 56 Base armor increased from 16 to 28

Zilean Base armor increased from 19.134 to 28

Zyra Base armor increased from 20.04 to 29 HP growth incrased from 74 to 79 Base HP increased from 499.32 to 504

Looks like all the supports are getting base stat buffs. Oh hey! What did Leona get?

Leona Eclipse (W) bonus armor increased from 20/30/40/50/60 to 25/35/45/55/65

Why is Leona not getting a large base armor buff? Why only +5 armor in her ability? Alistar gets a 20 armor buff on his BASE stats and Leona gets a 5 bonus armor on her W? Could I get some context as to why Leona is being denied a base stat increase like all the other supports? Am I just missing the increase somewhere? I can't seem to find any information on Leona getting more then this in PBE at this time.

60 Comments

RiotMeddler35 votes

Leona's also getting 20 armor. Not sure why that's not showing up in PBE datamining, just checked and definitely seeing it in game at present.

xelaker1 votes

[slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

Shadow Hazard8 votes

Yall need to contact the S@20 team and give them something nice. they earned it many times over.

Aznbeat7 votes

i swear i looked a few times and never saw anything. ill add to today's post!

Aznbeat1 votes

Im looking at the PBE and i see leona's level 1 armor is 27. is that correct?

It's the same on live and PBE at the moment, so im not sure

Chess4351 votes

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Leona's also getting 20 armor. Not sure why that's not showing up in PBE datamining, just checked and definitely seeing it in game at present.

Out of curiosity, why +20 armor instead of a split Armor/AD buff ala Thresh? I remember it was stated in in her mini-rework that she needed more stuff to do after going in and using her combo, and giving her a bit more sustained damage seems like it would fit that goal rather well.

Bman72001 votes

thresh is a he... not a she...

suprakirby1 votes

He's talking about LEONA and how she should get less armor but more AD like Thresh.

Jmman1 votes

I see Zyra but does fiddle support not get anything? Already not the strongest pick anywhere.(including jungle.) brand also got buffed differently. Don't really see him anywhere on the fixing list. Just wondering if he was going to be indirectly nerfed as support?

Mid he takes AD runes to help with last hitting because it bad and slow Jungle he used AC / AP to take less damage from mobs or heal/damage more with drain support everyone getting buff but him

Just seems like he is getting behind father in every lane. None of the new things really "scream" fiddle either.....

Sasogwa13 votes

I'm pretty sure it's just Surrenderat20 forgetting to put it, but she has the 20 base armor bonus.

Metleon12 votes

Yeah this is extremely odd. Pretty sure every other tank is getting +20 armor to compensate for the removal of runes.

StoryDuck14 votes

Leona is one of my favorite champions too so it makes me very sad. I'm hoping its just an overlooked thing and she will get them soon enough.

Shaydrox1 votes

I do think so. In earlier versions of these base stat buffs they sometimes forgot something. Either that or the surr@20 post could have accidentally missed it.

Feathermane6 votes

She almost knocked out a Korean team. We can't have that :nerfhammer:

Guttler4 votes

I wish they'd never said they would do these base stat compensation buffs. They should of just removed runes and let all champs have their normal base stats and see where the chips fall before buffing any champions.

notice me Sin pi1 votes

agreed. This is probably the only and one chance Riot would have at dealing with the stat creeps.

LordGeovanni2 votes

I agree with this because really damage would have suffered more than defense because defense scales off. it would slow down the game and that is probaly why it they had to compensate damage and why defense is getting less compensation. exciting lcs games my ass previous slower seasons saw more than 2 fights the a game and even saw in lane fights unlike this season.

Kazekiba2 votes

Blame the jungle. They're the ones affected the most. That and last hitting patterns people have spent 7 years or so getting used to.

Wolfeur3 votes

I remember her getting it in a previous PBE update. She didn't receive her W buff yet. I remember it because Braum received the armor and W buff while Leona only received the armor buff. I think it's just something they forgot.

HeavyDeeze2 votes

im pretty sure they balance out over the course of the game, leo base stats + W passive/active should give her similar or more armor stats similar to the other sup stats. but idk haha just a thought of mine

Edit: i forgot about her increased MR aswell from W

StoryDuck27 votes

5 armor on W will never equal 20 armor on base. I would also point out that W cannot be up permanently where as 20 base armor is. Also, if W scaling is an issue then why did Taric get +20 armor as well?

HeimerLmao7 votes

Because Taric is fabulous. Simple.

StoryDuck1 votes

Fair enough lol.

LordGeovanni2 votes

Pretty sure skills are meants to be things that you have as an edge not just to make up for your weak base stats

Kazekiba1 votes

Wanna look at Sion and tell me that again? Sivir and Tristana have similar HP @ level 1 but even more HP per level.

He and Mordekaiser have bottom tier HP growth higher than only about 5 champions one of which is Kled withOUT Skaarl. On that note, Mordekaiser 's HP is also low because of his passive shield giving him 125% effective health, and also because his highest stats are his list of bugs and his base AD (that has almost no use).

LordGeovanni1 votes

That is balanceing because their passives and shields more than make up for their lower hp.

Zëd Lęppelin2 votes

Probably cos if a Leona is on your screen you cant do anything. A champ that cant be hit doesn't need armour. /s

Mig892 votes

She cant be hit?

Zëd Lęppelin1 votes

Not if you're stunned :^).

(I forgot this was NA boards, I've added a /s)

W Flynn2 votes

Because everything on pbe is final, and theres no way they just haven't gotten to it yet.

GrReaper961 votes

Cause they wanna ship fervor Leona

Jerry SeinfeId2 votes

no they don't, if they did she'd have ad scalings on her abilities like i've been wanting for so long now

Kazekiba1 votes

I just want Shield of Daybreak to trigger her Sunlight passive on Jungle monsters, and Zenith Blade to deal a bit of bonus damage and treat them as a Champion. Jungle Leona (and Zyra }} are fantasies of mine.

Jerry SeinfeId1 votes

Honestly i want her to be able to proc her own passive or get ad scaling.

Anyway jungle Leo works, i got to lvl 6 playing it and got one of my lvl 7 tokens from it too. Sadly you can't really get Drake if every land loses (which happens more often than i'd like).

Toplane Leo would benefit from it too then. Which is also quite fun.

Skorch1 votes

I actually played Leona on PBE, and i know she is getting 80HP off the changes. How much are the other tanks getting? Maybe they gave her HP instead of Armor because of her early aggresion for trades? I mean if they all are getting 80 then idk.

Metleon3 votes

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I actually played Leona on PBE, and i know she is getting 80HP off the changes. How much are the other tanks getting? Maybe they gave her HP instead of Armor because of her early aggresion for trades? I mean if they all are getting 80 then idk.

Most tanks are getting 20 armor. I doubt 80 health is enough to be equal to that amount of armor, but health is probably better on Leona because of her w.

For Braum's Stand Behind Me, they buffed the percentage slightly because it scales off of bonus armor. Just increasing his base armor wouldn't put the spell at the same strength after the removal of runes. Taric's w doesn't need a buff because it goes off of total armor. They gave riven a slight buff to her w and e for the same reason.

wyvern0119761 votes

More concerned with Rakkans base armor...wtf he was already way too tanky early.

Kazekiba1 votes

Its 3 more armor than he has on Live, unless he takes scaling HP runes (or worse; flat HP). Not really a buff.

Nymzo1 votes

I think this is more because of her playstyle more than anything.

While Leona is classified as a Warden, she plays more like a Catcher. In fact, she extremely good on offense but very mediocre on defense.

Notice that Thresh also got less armor, because of his passif of course. But catchers are suppose to be more eay to punish once they go in and the fight aren't on their favor.

Since thing could be apply to Leona, if no one is punishing her, she will be okay... I think of course.

I'm dumb, ignore that.

Chembaron Yamada4 votes

??? Leona is classified as a Vanguard and she is pretty much the epitome of that subclass, a initiating tank. Don't know where you got the idea that she is a Warden.

Nymzo1 votes

I messed up, I got the names mixed up together, oops.

I took time to think about it.

I think the reason why is because Leona is a Vanguard, giving more base armor with her w would be make her difficult to punish in the early phase. After all poke seems to be Leona major weakness in a lane.

I could be wrong again but that's what I noticed.

Kythers1 votes

PS why does Bard still have the HP levels of a melee champion?

Zero Skill Tank5 votes

Because he has 2 damaging abilities. He needs some numbers SOMEWHERE to be able to fight at all.

notice me Sin pi1 votes
  1. win rate difference between coordinated plays solo queue is extremely different for Bard cuz that's what his kit is about. Given that, it's really hard for riot to justify nerfs on Bard . besides, he has soo much potential for flashy plays on LC$

  2. Bard 's aa range is only 500, and his only damaging ability among QWER doesnt have much range either, unlike champs such as Sivir . And his kit doesn't revolve on staying behind the ADC like pre"nerf" Janna . So he does need either more damage or durability. And if riot wants to keep him a support instead of ADC, then bard's getting durability among the two choices.

ModKnightsKemplar1 votes

They've been doing a lot of stat changes, and I've had trouble keeping track of them myself.

Is it possible that they've already given her some base armor and these champs were just all follow up after that? Even if that isn't what's going on, it's possible that there is a good explanation and/or they will buff her later if she needs help. They might just be thinking about giving her a base armor nerf on the current patch, but just not buffing her armor for the runes rework is equally effective.

How does her current base armor stack up to other tank supports like Ali and Braum?

MetalGearTeemo1 votes

My Triforce bruiser blitzcrank looks forward to further dominating the top lane using all this free armor.

CrimsonLotus31 votes

I dont think theyve finished doing all the small buffs yet (the buffs for rune loss)

The Yetii Rider1 votes

Leona's armor was 47 before they took Runes Reforged off last week, so if it isn't back in yet it's probably going to be back in soon.

As for why they're changing Eclipse, it's because the 20 armor she's gaining is treated as base armor when it used to be bonus armor from runes, so her Eclipse would be a bit weaker than on live without the bonus scaling. They're giving a little base to help even that out.

Shrek Luigi1 votes

I'm just happy they're giving Rakan some more AD. He's awesome but when you get the opportunity to poke with him it feels so unsatisfying.

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