Why is Gangplank's E so overloaded?

ContDeCaterinca1·Jan 18, 2019·5 votes·2,231 views

I am curious why GP's Powder Kegs have so many things attached to them:

Procs Sheen and can crit
Splash damage
Ignores 40% armor
Slows enemies
Self speed buff

I could get over the fact it does a lot of damage, since it's a freckin explosion and it's what makes Gankplank a teamfight monster.

But why both a slow and a self speed buff? Remove one of the 2 components. He can either comit to killing you or run away, depending on the situation. It's Jinx passive and W combined on a few seconds CD.

Shift more power into his ULT by giving it an AD scaling, but nerf that barrels ability please.

15 Comments

BeatzBoyFTWJan 18, 20197 votes

GP's a seriously immobile dude & is vulnerable to diving champions like Riven & Akali. The slow & speed boost on his E is kind of needed.
Despite the amount of kits stuffed into his barrels, it does take an amount of time to set them up in order to utilize them. More importantly, it's pretty easily predictable to know where he's planning to shoot his barrels into.

Warlord RhinarkJan 18, 20195 votes

Because it's really hard to land one and without them, Gangplank is harmless.

MLDzXnRRRJan 18, 20191 votes

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Because it's really hard to land one and without them, Gangplank is harmless.

Unless when he is fed and your team has melees... I'm not sure that GP is even good vs ranged. Lucian makes him cry, because of the double hit passive taking every barrel. Very long ranged like Cait or Trist are also extremely annoying to face. GP is still my most played champ, but I have abandoned him, because can't set a barrel chain anymore, everyone takes them before I do... (but for some reason when my team faces GP, they always forget to focus his barrels, xd)

Hayaishi2Jan 18, 20194 votes

HAve you seen Aatrox?

Healing, Mobility and damage in the same ability.

ThefrostyvikingJan 18, 20191 votes

Do mention that its bascially a micro dash giving him a minimal AD boost while the sustain passive is the real thing.

Like i could probably paint of ashe´s W as some OP bs but then you consider how it basically doesnt do much damage and the slow is extremely short and suddenly its not so impressive anymore.

....Well comparatively the E passive aatrox has is way better though, perfect synergy with his Q that actually deals a lot of damage even if the ability is bad against mobility.

MarshbouyJan 18, 20193 votes

it's extremely difficult for a GP to land barrels against people who are paying attention and aren't CCed, without doing some crazy 4 barrels shit or something. That's why they're so overloaded

NetorareJan 18, 20192 votes

->Immobile champion ->has cleanse&heal ->E barrels that deal a huge amount of dmg that can be dodged or destroyed ???????????? This is like the first thread where i see some people cry about gangplank being overloaded lul.

ContDeCaterinca1Jan 18, 20191 votes

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->Immobile champion ->has cleanse&heal ->E barrels that deal a huge amount of dmg that can be dodged or destroyed ???????????? This is like the first thread where i see some people cry about gangplank being overloaded lul.

I said his E needs to have either the slow or the speed up removed. ONE OF THEM.

And to compensate he gets more damage in this R(since his Q is already good as it is).

His bonus gold on Q is stupid as well, if you want me to cry about something.

I got to play against him yesterday and he reached 6 items when I had 3 with just 40 CS more and 4 kills more. That's what, 2000/2000+ gold?

Weiss GuertenaJan 18, 20191 votes

So you want to take power out of extremely telegraphed, easy to avoid, possible to deny source of damage and put it into guaranteed-to-hit, global range massive AoE? That will just make things worse, assming GP is a problem in the first place.

Also, GP's Q at max rank grants 7 gold per minion kill. Even if he killed each and every of those 40 minions he had over you with max rank Q that wouldn't even net him 300 gold total. Those 4 kills, however, are easily over a thousand gold worth, at which point your problem isn't "he gets bonus gold from Q" but rather "we fed him". Hell, let's be generous. Let's say he also got first blood and 300 gold from each kill. That's 1300 from kills, meaning that he also needed 100 minion kills with max rank Q to obtain 200 gold advantage (in practice far more, as he doesn't obtain max rank Q until level 9 and earns 3-6 gold per minion kill during that period). This just sounds like he played better and thus got a well deserved advantage to me.

Serge THE GREATJan 18, 20191 votes

I hate Gangplank's 'new' E. To me his rework ruined the champion for me. I hate micro managing the barrels and it feels thematically dumb. It's like Riot's team thought to themselves: "What do pirates have?" and someone said "Duuhhhhhh ships have barrels on them and barrels contain gun powder sometimes!" and that was it. No further thought needed. The fact that he summons them out of thin air from the ground slays me. If he at least tossed the barrel and could shoot it while it's in the sky that would be interesting visually.

General MattyJan 18, 20191 votes

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I am curious why GP's Powder Kegs have so many things attached to them:

Procs Sheen and can crit

Splash damage

Ignores 40% armor

Slows enemies

Self speed buff

I could get over the fact it does a lot of damage, since it's a freckin explosion and it's what makes Gankplank a teamfight monster.

But why both a slow and a self speed buff? Remove one of the 2 components. He can either comit to killing you or run away, depending on the situation. It's Jinx passive and W combined on a few seconds CD.

Shift more power into his ULT by giving it an AD scaling, but nerf that barrels ability please.

I would be fine if they nerfed the barrels and gave more power to his q and r. Right now he is too focused on barrels which can be KILLED... extremely frustrating.

Moody PJan 18, 20191 votes

because a champ with huge range advantage over most of the roster and 0 counterplay for most melees needs lots of extra safety measures so you can be sure he "outplayed" you

GFREEMENJan 18, 20191 votes

Because Riot

JackMcSnipeyzJan 18, 20191 votes

Because it's pretty much his entire shtick, his Q is just a ranged auto attack and his W is a long CD heal+cleanse. His ult is just an "assisst" button with shitty slow, long CD and barely any damage until he gets the upgrade.