Riven's shield cooldown needs to be addressed

ContDeCaterinca1·Mar 2, 2019·48 votes·13,269 views

It's not that I have a problem with Riven in general, I usually don't mind laning against her.

But when I am a jungler, 1 or 2 levels behind and I can't finish a 300 HP Riven off because of that stupid shield coming up every 3 seconds, so she can outplay or dash for the tower, I want to literally smash my screen.

And with Conquerer and Death Dance, she actually gains health back really fast, so not only you can't finish her, she actually baits you by being low HP.

30 Comments

MordepoolMar 2, 201921 votes

Mordekaiser she's almost entirely immune to my ultimate

ValiantKillerMar 2, 201912 votes

Shh we don't nerf mobile cancer champions that have shield that scale on pure AD while have ability to be lane bully and scale like monster in late game and carry, we only nerf the immobile Urgot shield that scale on max HP cause he only lane bully and isn't able to carry late game

NVC ZealousMar 2, 20198 votes

Not like urgot was strong for more then half a year now, but I guess if a champ doesn't dash he isn't considered op. Plz shield nerf that ridiculous revert the buffs she got a while ago nerf items and rune and all of bruiser are good to go. At least let riven be top champion for 2 patches since urgot with atrox has been for 8 months.

Weiner the PoohMar 2, 20193 votes

So Urgot wasn’t the dominant top owner in normal and pro play since before worlds? He only bullied out melees in lane and was a team fight monster. On top of all the strengths he had, his ult is extremely r%%%%%ed that rewarded half ass play. Why does he get to win just getting them to 25% hp? Especially in lane a lot of fights come down to the last slivers of health, except the poorly designed tanky high damage abomination that is urgot. He didn’t get nerfed because he’s “immobile” he got nerfed because he was blatantly overpowered.

oortoomeebreesuuMar 2, 20191 votes

i agree but it's also obvious that urgot just had no vulnerabilities.

one of the biggest nerfs urgot needed was really just an instance of "flash favoritism"

urgot can E-flash, jarvan can EQ-Flash, shen can E-flash, camille can E flash, gragas can E flash, but champs like ornn and galio can not. Why? why are some champs allowed this broken nil-reaction mechanic and others are actually properly made? it'd be like if riven could flash during her 3rd Q, it'd be nonsensical, but for some champions, they just are allowed to. this is one of the things that makes me hate this game the most. balance is one thing, but blatant double standards every which way? And they'll never come out and explain "this one is this way cuz of this, and these are like this cuz-" we just have to accept it - no explanations, no reasons, no logic.

Yets4240Mar 2, 20191 votes

Riven can flash during her third Q, and her W to move the AoEs of the damage and CC. Even better when she's ulting and they have larger ranges and AoEs and more damage. She can also E into either W or third Q to move during it to also move the AoE, damage and CC. She can also falsh during the E before the 3rd Q or W to move it twice, once with the E, once with the flash, before the AoE/damage/CC goes off.

Hell, she can also cast her R1 during the E, flash afterwards, and weave R2 into the CC frames after Q3 or W hit. In fact, the full Riven combo has her unloading a W, Q3, R2, 2 autos, and a tiamat proc from flash + E range away (usually from a bush) in under the time that she can CC you from just Q3 + W. I have friends in diamond and masters who have been Riven, Yi, Yasuo and Vayne mains since S3 just for the sheer amount of bullshit those champions can put out, and for their firm belief that if you master those champions you can ignore virtually all attempts by your opponents to either counter play or counter build you. They can be reliably OTPed into high Masters, including with my friends jungling as Riven/Vayne/Yasuo, top laning as them, playing them mid, and even playing Riven and Yasuo support in D1/Masters.

oortoomeebreesuuMar 3, 20192 votes

well, she can flash during it, which i didn't know, but i did know she couldn't actually use it. the dmg doesn't trigger, which is what i meant.

Angst1Mar 3, 20191 votes

Riven CANNOT flash during her third q. It cancels. You are locked when using W so again, you CANT W flash. Idk, atleast you should know of what are you talking about before making a point

SchenixMar 2, 20192 votes

Something that tanky having such a good early game shield discouraged any other pick that couldn't match it. Nothing could certainly reliably punish it even from level 1. It was too safe and consistent. I don't agree with his later game shield being nerfed, but his early needed a good hit so other champions could be used for as much of an impact as him so safely, or at least compete.

KadexeMar 2, 20192 votes

Urgot was 100% pick-or-ban in every competitive game while Riven wasn't picked once. Really, who was more OP on the patch before Urgot was nerfed?

RïvêńMar 2, 20197 votes

If they're not gonna nerf Spear or Conq which is what is making her too strong I'd rather have them change it from 10/9/8/7/6 second CD to like 11/10/9/8/7 and balance from there, maybe add a nother second to the CD, but she builds CDR and scales heavily off of it for combo potential... but every item in the past 3 years has loads of CDR now, plus Essence Flare being moved to an Item that gives HP just makes it super annoying to go vs her I imagine, wasn't already like she was considered toxic to go against either.

RagnaveilMar 2, 20192 votes

I mean, you could go at it from two angles: Your suggested cdr nerf, or do that and knock off maybe 10% of the AD ratio off of it. Either one is fine because it needs a longer cooldown.

SõnaMar 2, 20196 votes

Not only that, this skill help cancels ultimate's animation in order to speed him her bursting combo which is ridiculous being one of her mini kits. I could not imagine any top lane champions that could skip their skill animation in this insane amount and denying damages at the same time.

She could harrass you/any melee in the range of towers while you were trying to get your cannon minion, and quickly dash out of the tower range with "E", as well as the damage of tower is being denied.

Jesus how did any top laner lane with her previously? I could only imagine the stresses while laning against her.

Frontline FuryMar 2, 20195 votes

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Not only that, this skill help cancels ultimate's animation in order to speed him her bursting combo which is ridiculous being one of her mini kits. I could not imagine any top lane champions that could skip their skill animation in this insane amount and denying damages at the same time.

She could harrass you/any melee in the range of towers while you were trying to get your cannon minion, and quickly dash out of the tower range with "E", as well as the damage of tower is being denied.

Jesus how did any top laner lane with her previously? I could only imagine the stresses while laning against her.

She didn’t deal in-built true damage she could heal off before. She didn’t reach her 45% cdr cap at level 7, 8 minutes into the game. Other champions could stack armor against her.

RagnaveilMar 3, 20191 votes

And tanks with decent cc existed in top, rendering her mobility useless.

SõnaMar 3, 20191 votes

Indeed that she did not reach her 45 % cdr at that level, but a single times of combo e+w, of every 10-20 seconds, can cause a significant of gold loss everytimes she e (shield herself) + w (cancelled animation) works too well to be able to deny enemy farm while blocking small amount of damage. (if you count that she freeze her lane, then it is game over)

Generation Z3r0Mar 2, 20192 votes

i would say 90% of riven's can't play her to the level of play that this is an issue, but i see your point. but if her shield gets nerfed something else needs to move up to balance out the lack of survivability.

Mael JadeMar 2, 20197 votes

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i would say 90% of riven's can't play her to the level of play that this is an issue, but i see your point. but if her shield gets nerfed something else needs to move up to balance out the lack of survivability.

How about "Nothing"? You dont need to give compensation buffs when nerfing an op champion that has been stupidly strong for a long time. Only reason she is not getting nerfed is that she is popular and sales a lot of skin. Look at Yorick, he's been on the strong side using conqueror for little over 2 patches, instant nerf to his R (arguably one of the strongest in the game) without a single compensation buff. Riven, who has a higher pick rate and win rate for a longer time is not getting any nerfs and now you want a "compensation" buff for her because she is getting knocked of her thrown? seriously?

ZephyrDrakeMar 2, 20193 votes

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How about "Nothing"? You dont need to give compensation buffs when nerfing an op champion that has been stupidly strong for a long time. Only reason she is not getting nerfed is that she is popular and sales a lot of skin. Look at Yorick, he's been on the strong side using conqueror for little over 2 patches, instant nerf to his R (arguably one of the strongest in the game) without a single compensation buff. Riven, who has a higher pick rate and win rate for a longer time is not getting any nerfs and now you want a "compensation" buff for her because she is getting knocked of her thrown? seriously?

the reason she has a terrible health regen is because of her spammable shield. How about you stop with your terrible bias of "I don't like this champion therefore it should never get any buffs at all". If you nerf her shield CD or amount or anything regarding it then her HP regen will go up. Regardless of what you think.

MandarillMar 2, 20193 votes

It's called having an exploitable weakness. Every champion should have one, including Riven.

rtbf225618241Mar 2, 20193 votes

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It's called having an exploitable weakness. Every champion should have one, including Riven.

Well her primary weakness is her lack of range and dependency on basic attacks (and animation cancelling which i can't figure out at all how it even works).

Mael JadeMar 2, 20193 votes

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the reason she has a terrible health regen is because of her spammable shield. How about you stop with your terrible bias of "I don't like this champion therefore it should never get any buffs at all". If you nerf her shield CD or amount or anything regarding it then her HP regen will go up. Regardless of what you think.

Well, a champion with somewhat low base hp and hp regen...nearly sounds like you are supposed to be able to bully and punish her early game since she scales quite well.

RavoreMar 2, 20192 votes

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the reason she has a terrible health regen is because of her spammable shield. How about you stop with your terrible bias of "I don't like this champion therefore it should never get any buffs at all". If you nerf her shield CD or amount or anything regarding it then her HP regen will go up. Regardless of what you think.

Her HP has already gone up though with deaths dance and spear of soujin. Her hp has gone up for a while

ZephyrDrakeMar 2, 20191 votes

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Her HP has already gone up though with deaths dance and spear of soujin. Her hp has gone up for a while

yes I forgot that Riven starts with two items completely built from the start of the game

IronPlayer4Mar 2, 20192 votes

Riven it's ok the way she is..you need to improve yourself...make better calls...if you dive her under tower it's something clear that she will kill you...play something with good CC/damage..like a Panth jungle...of if you lane vs her on top..pick Garen/Darius...but if you complain about Riven on normal games your post is irelevant!

Best Ekko NAMar 2, 20192 votes

Blah blah blah, Riven hate for no reason.... delete this thread. We get it, you're on the boards which means you have biased hate for Riven. Nice, you don't even need to talk about it anymore. There's literally nothing wrong with that champion. I've seen so many of these threads it makes me sick to my stomach. Typical hashashin style complaints, everything is broken until you play it. Get better at the game and stop wasting your time complaining on forums and boards.

SaiannaMar 2, 20194 votes

riven main detected

DoombotMar 2, 20191 votes

The cooldown is fine but the shield amount scales so hard that riven is practically kayle ulting herself over the shield duration unless you have 5 people focusing her.

Wadu Hek ManMar 3, 20191 votes

"And with Conquerer and Death Dance, she actually gains health back really fast, so not only you can't finish her, she actually baits you by being low HP." If you're able to address early that it's a bait, learn to respect her? I'm a Riven main for sure, but even when the enemy picks Riven I can usually just stomp her by learning how to respect her throughout the game and choosing the moments I know I have the upper hand. If she uses her Q to clear a wave, trade immediately, as shes just lost a good chunk of her damage. If she pushes the wave, get a jungle gank and freeze her out through pressure. A lot of the complains I see from people fighting Riven are mainly just those who don't know how to respect her and play around her.