I am not saying a late game hypercarry needs to be gutted, but she can chase with 90 bonus MS, she can kite backwards with Q, the tumble invis buff needs a revert and she also has the condamn.
And she also does too much damage even standing still and right-clicking.
At least 1 out of everything has to go and vayne won't be in a bad spot, but would be better to play against. Probably revert the invis buff during ULT.
Saianna23 votesThe ult buff came out of nowhere and with no drawbacks. She was pretty fine without it. It's one of those "we favour our posterboys and girls, so here, have a free cookie"
ValiantKiller2 votesThe ult buff came out of nowhere and with no drawbacks. She was pretty fine without it. It's one of those "we favour our posterboys and girls, so here, have a free cookie"
I mean what worst they was going to rework crit items anyway :/
LTK KoRo2 votessame with tristana. Crit got nerfed, 2 patches later trist got buff to bomb AD ratio, now crit is reverted and she kept the buff. Why?
Sir Saltarin1 votesBecause Tristana doesn't need nerfs and crit isn't reverted maybe?
Not to talk about base stats and FleetF nerf, like, I get that you hate her so much but it's not like she's overbuffed lmao.
LTK KoRo1 votesshe doesn't need nerfs right now (unless people will start playing MSF comp from today) but she doesn't deserve any buffs either, she's the most cancerous adc to fight.
anatasjhsh011 votesMaybe because she is still dogshit? 48% win rate She needs Buffs actually
SuperTopLFBottom1 votesTristana needs to be kept in the gutter forever until a rework.
chipndip12 votesThe ult buff came out of nowhere and with no drawbacks. She was pretty fine without it. It's one of those "we favour our posterboys and girls, so here, have a free cookie"
Why is it that whenever someone becomes strong and it isn't some forever-alone champ like Yorick, that champion's a poster boy?
At least put more effort into it.
Chembaron Yamada5 votesNot gonna lie, Vayne actually is a poster girl for Riot.
Why do you think she was the one getting the prestige Chinese new year skin instead of the champion who actually represents the Zodiac?
Because she sells skins well, since she is a favoured poster girl.
chipndip13 votesNot gonna lie, Vayne actually is a poster girl for Riot. Why do you think she was the one getting the prestige Chinese new year skin instead of the champion who actually represents the Zodiac?
Because she sells skins well, since she is a favoured poster girl.
And Aatrox "sells skins well"?
Kai'Sa didn't even have a history of skin sales and she was the first prestige skin in her skin line.
You guys just find ways to be salty over anything and everything when a champ's popular, even when they're only "kind of" popular.
We'll totally forget the WHOLE YEAR of Vayne being overshadowed by Kai'Sa because she's doing aight right now. She's the poster child of League, guys.
Daddy Ants1 votesAnd Aatrox "sells skins well"?
Kai'Sa didn't even have a history of skin sales and she was the first prestige skin in her skin line.
You guys just find ways to be salty over anything and everything when a champ's popular, even when they're only "kind of" popular.
We'll totally forget the WHOLE YEAR of Vayne being overshadowed by Kai'Sa because she's doing aight right now. She's the poster child of League, guys.
This is the boards.
There's no logical thinking here.
Saianna1 votesEveryone knows Riot favourizes certain champions. Yasuo, Lee, Zed, Vayne, Edit: Riven. There's probably 1 or 2 more, but overall they are unnerfable. Any nerf will be compensated. Oh they also get buffs not even because they need it, but to increase their popularity to spin the skin selling.
Your sneers are definitely illogical here.
BoilTheOil1 votesboth were popular champions at the time
chipndip12 votesboth were popular champions at the time
But Aatrox was the poster boy of League of Legends? That's what you're selling me?
BoilTheOil1 votesno but hes still a popular champion
Aseraan1 votesWell the prestige skin made it more obvius than it had to be.
koshkyra1 votesDidnt she get a prestige skin in the same patch? Thats why the buff happened
HàrrowR2 votesThe ult buff came out of nowhere and with no drawbacks. She was pretty fine without it. It's one of those "we favour our posterboys and girls, so here, have a free cookie"
Im a Vayne main and i have to agree, this was unexpected, certainly compared to some other carries she didn't need a lot of help
Chalze9 votesFunny thought came into mind: "Vayne's Silver Bolts now apply a speed boost to her target upon consuming the mark."
[sg-miss-fortune]
TengenToppaGnar1 votesFunny thought came into mind: "Vayne's Silver Bolts now apply a speed boost to her target upon consuming the mark."
[sg-miss-fortune]
Is this a joke, or did they seriously give Mini-Gnar's own W passive to this annoying See You Next Tuesday.
Chembaron Yamada1 votesIt is a joke and it is not Mini-Gnar's W passive. What he says is that he wants Vayne to give a MS boost to her target, not herself, so that you actually have a chance to reach her.
Eedat8 votesThey just need to undo her ult buff really
Poske7 votesVayne is lategame champion because her kiting lategame is godlike, you are overating her damage
Twitch can AOE down an entire team in 4 seconds vayne would need 15 seconds to kill everyone. So due to her singletargeted dps she has to be a kite god
Else why would you pick Vayne when Twitch, Kog, Kaisa, Xayah, Jinx, varus and so many fking outers out dps her lategame while not being that garbage early
Not every champion needs to be a lategame god in a same way (DPS)
Bjørnetjenesten5 votesHow about you mention that she is:
So you want to take away her kiting, what will she have left?
The mods need to filter out these low-iq vayne shitposts... they make zero sense and every moron on these boards jump the bandwagon every time.
Sir Saltarin5 votesCrossbow woman bad.
Metal man good.
JeaneGreene1 votesWow I can’t believe you just described Kalista <3
Bjørnetjenesten1 votesyeah... nope not really
kalista has:
efficientlyJeaneGreene1 votesWell.... Vayne can change targets after 3 aa’s, so she is multi target. Vayne can use stattik shiv very well Vayne’s E knocks opponents away to up to 1000 range away.
The difference between the two is that Vayne is good and Kalista is trash.
Bjørnetjenesten1 votesi actually want to jump off a bridge reading this comment, but lets see if i can explain this to you:
Vayne needs to attack one target at a time otherwise her passive W will not stack. Kalistas passive works on multiple (meaning many) targets. So she can use runaans to stack spears and do dmg to several targets at the same time.
Yes you are right vayne can do 60-140 magic dmg every 5-6 autos. Congrats! Can you compare it to runaans dmg? not really.
Vaynes E is targeted at 550 range. She needs to be within 550 range to make it work. if she is 1000 range away she cannot use E. Let me clarify... She needs to walk up to an enemy... who is 550 range away. Then she needs to press on her E button.
Pressing on the E-button from 1000 range away, will not work. Okay buddy? You got that?
kingDeDeDarius1 votesTerrible excuse. She was fine before buff, she'd arguably even stronger now, she ought to have her needless buff reversed.
Daddy Ants4 votesAnd she also does too much damage even standing still and right-clicking.
If she's standing still why aren't you or your team punishing her?
That's just lack of thinking from you and your team.
ContDeCaterinca18 votesIf she's standing still why aren't you or your team punishing her?
That's just lack of thinking from you and your team.
I mean, even when she doesn't kite she is strong, but when she does it's painful for you.
Saianna5 votesthe guy is just nitpicking to find some loophole where it's your fault for losing vs vayne.
Seenan2 votesIt's literally just Rageblade breaking her.
TotalJerk1 votesAre you seriously saying that a passive that gives movement speed TOWARDS enemies is too strong for kiting backwards? People are actually upvoting this shit?
kingDeDeDarius2 votesWhy are you conveniently leaving out her ability to q backward to Doge or escape, then use her Ms boost to quickly re-enter the fight when it's convenient for her?
TotalJerk1 votesBecause that isn't what OP was talking about at all?
ContDeCaterinca11 votesAre you seriously saying that a passive that gives movement speed TOWARDS enemies is too strong for kiting backwards? People are actually upvoting this shit?
Wait wait wait, what I said is that you can't touch her, but if she is in winning position after the fight you can't disengage either.
No champion has even half this ability to kite, maybe except Kalista and some of them have even shorter range then Vayne( like
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Aseraan1 votesNo he is saying she can chase ppl whit 90 +movementspeed wich indicates shes is going towards her target not backwards.
And kite whit q backwards wich is correct cuz he doesnt mention her passive here.
pppl upvoting "this sht" cuz they read i guess no offense.
P0IS0N IVY1 votesshe can chase with 90 bonus MS
How is this relevant to kiting?
she also does too much damage even standing still and right-clicking
She's autoattack based unlike ADC casters like Varus. What are you expecting?
Vayne has kite ability because her only method of damage as a squishy is to put herself at 550 range and autoattack. All ADCs have something built into their kit that gives them some form of safety.
The only thing I can agree with you here is that the buff on her ult needs to be reverted. There's no reason to complain about anything else.
Daddy Ants1 votes[{quoted}](name=P0IS0N IVY,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=NPkMKehd,comment-id=000c,timestamp=2019-02-23T21:18:50.467+0000)
How is this relevant to kiting?
She's autoattack based unlike ADC casters like Varus. What are you expecting?
Vayne has kite ability because her only method of damage as a squishy is to put herself at 550 range and autoattack. All ADCs have something built into their kit that gives them some form of safety.
The only thing I can agree with you here is that the buff on her ult needs to be reverted. There's no reason to complain about anything else.
All other ADC's have ways to deal damage that extends outside of their basic attack range also.
Most ADC's have abilities that can be cast at a much longer range than their auto attacks.
NOTHING in Vayne's kit surpasses 550 range.
Here is the list of every ADC's ability ranges from Lolwiki
Attack Range: 600
Ranger's Focus (Q) - Range: 600
Volley (W) - Range: 1200
Hawkshot (E) - Range: Global (Does not deal damage)
Enchanted Crystal Arrow (R) - Range: Global
Attack Range: 650
Piltover Peacemaker (Q) - Range: 1250
Yordle Snap Trap (W) - Range: 800
90 Caliber Net - Range: 750
Ace in the Hole (R) - Range: 3500
Attack Range: 550
Spinning Axe (Q) - Range: 550
Blood Rush (W) - Range: 0 (Self buff)
Stand Aside (E) - Range: 1050
Whirling Death (R) - Range: Global
Attack Range: 550
Mystic Shot (Q) - Range: 1150
Essence Flux (W) - Range: 1150
Arcane Shift (E) - Range: 475
Trueshot Barrage (R) - Range: Global
Attack Range: 550
Dancing Grenade (Q) - Range: 550
Deadly Flourish (W) - Range: 3000
Captive Audience (E) - Range: 475
Curtain Call (R) - Range: 3500
Attack Range: 525
Pow Pow / Fishbones (Q) - Range: 525 or 600 / 625 / 650 / 675/ 700 if in rocket form
Zap! (W) - Range: 1450
Flame Chompers (E) - Range: 900
Super Mega Death Rocket (R) - Range: Global
Attack Range: 525
Icathian Rain (Q) - Range: 600
Void Seeker (W) - Range: 3000
Supercharger (E) - Range: 0 (Steroid buff)
Killer Instinct (R) - Range: 1500 / 2000 / 2500 (Doesn't deal damage but its a massive gap closer)
Attack Range: 525
Pierce (Q) - Range: 1150
Sentinel (W) - Range: 0
Rend (E) - Range: not sure
Fate's Call (R) - Range: 1200
Attack Range: 500
Caustic Spittle (Q) - Range: 1175
Bio-Arcane Barrage (W) - Range: 630 / 650 / 670 / 690 / 710
Void Ooze (E) - Range: 1280
Living Artillery (R) - Range: 1300 / 1550 / 1800
Attack Range: 500
Piercing Light (Q) - Range: 900
Ardent Blaze(W) - Range: 900
Relentless Pursuit (E) - Range: 425
The Culling (R) - Range: 1200
Attack Range: 550
Double Up (Q) - Range: 650
Strut (W) - Range: 0
Make it Rain (E) - Range: 1000
Bullet Time (R) - Range: 1400
Attack Range: 500
Boomerang Blade (Q) - Range: 1250
Richochet (W) - Range: (No range listed on Lolwiki)
Spell Shield (E) - Range: 0
On the Hunt (R) - Range: 0 (Doesn't deal damage so put as 0)
Attack Range: 525
Rapid Fire (Q) - Range: 0
Rocket Jump (W) - Range: 900
Explosive Charge (E) - Range: 525 - 661 based on level.
Buster Shot (R) - Range: 525 - 661 based on level.
Attack Range: 550
Ambush (Q) - Range: 0
Venom Cask (W) - Range: 950
Contaminate (E) - Range: 1200
Spray and Pray (R) - Range: 850
Attack Range: 575
Piercing Arrow (Q) - Range: 925 - 1625 based on channel time.
Blighted Quiver (W) - Range: Same as whatever ability you use to pop the stacks
Hail of Arrows (E) - Range: 925
Chain of Corruption (R) - Range: 1075
Attack Range: 550
Tumble Q - Range: 550 (Have to be in AA range to use the empowered attack)
Silver Bolts (W) - Range: 550 (applies from auto attacks)
Condemn (E) - Range: 550
Final Hour (R) - Range: 0 (Is a steroid buff)
Attack Range: 525
Double Daggers (Q) - Range: 1100
Deadly Plumage (W) - Range: 525
Bladecaller (E) - Range: Lolwiki says Global.
Featherstorm (R) - Range: 1100
Aseraan1 votesThey also cant go invisible and chase downa master yi ulting or blow up tanks yet the same time kill anyone else faster. but im just nitpicking here dont mention me im a vayne hater for a long time so my words means nothing cant say a good thing about her.
Daddy Ants1 votesThey also cant go invisible and chase downa master yi ulting or blow up tanks yet the same time kill anyone else faster. but im just nitpicking here dont mention me im a vayne hater for a long time so my words means nothing cant say a good thing about her.
Vayne can't chase an ulting Yi.
I've tried it.
Aseraan1 votesThan im sure it was just the wind my bad sry.
P0IS0N IVY1 votesNOTHING in Vayne's kit surpasses 550 range.
Yes that was my point.
SiG DxD1 votestumble 0.5 s cd kekekekeke vayne is so balnced
Mordepool1 votesNerf her base Movement speed.
Seems reasonable
Grouchy Poro1 voteseverything about vayne is broken half her kit should be removed simply