I think anyone that does a lot of true damage needs to have that tuned down

ContDeCaterinca1·Jan 14, 2019·48 votes·16,314 views

The reason I think this it's because of how true damage works.

If you have problems with Armor/MR you build LDR and Void Staff, but against someone with % damage reduction like Alistar/Garen/Gragas/WW / don't really work against them while these buffs are on.

Since true damage is so much stronger against %damage reduction, no champion in the game should have that much true damage in the kit, because it creates an imbalance.

Draven with LDR and AD/crit barely does damage to Alistar during his R, while Rageblade Vayne chuncks him every 2nd auto.

Nerf Vayne W, nerf Fiora passive, Yi E tuned down a little bit and slightly nerf Conquerer.

There are fine or even weak true damage abilities like Olaf and RekSai E, Garen ULT can be strong, but only 1/5 is the villan.

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Hypochondria9Jan 14, 20199 votes

I had a Fiora kill me in 3 autos from 2600 HP and about 150 armor with her ult. Death recap said 1800 was true damage.

Romans VI XXIIIJan 15, 20195 votes

Yea I love deing as a tank and seeing that aver 60% of the damage was true damage.......

GlaricionJan 15, 20191 votes

Just build true mitigation...

ThisName1sDumbJan 15, 20191 votes

You mean... HP?

GlaricionJan 15, 20191 votes

Some sources of true damage get stronger as you get more HP (like Vayne), which counters what meant to be the counter, hence why true mitigation.

RainbowBenderJan 15, 20193 votes

Well Fiora ult Has above 100% max hp true dmg with one infernal and her normal build. Still she has 49% winrate and is acctually pretty weak in toplane atm

reaper4042Jan 15, 20192 votes

late game fiora can kill full build tank ww in 2 seconds. Not even a meme, conq and ult and one dead dog

SucctionJan 15, 20195 votes

You do realize she'd need 400+ BONUS AD to do this, right?

Hypochondria9Jan 15, 20191 votes

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You do realize she'd need 400+ BONUS AD to do this, right?

She had item 3074 item 3078 item 3812 item 3047 item 3508

20022012Jan 15, 20191 votes

Which is nowhere near 450 bonus AD.

The thigh guyJan 15, 20191 votes

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You do realize she'd need 400+ BONUS AD to do this, right?

Eh. She can get 5 procs of her passive pretty easily, so she only realistically needs 300 ad to do over 100% of your max hp as true damage with conquerer (not accounting for conquerer a bonus ad)

Although usually she isn’t using conquerer and is going grasp with 300 ad so it’s more realistically 80% max hp true damage before applying q, triforce and grasp damage.

20022012Jan 15, 20191 votes

Guy said he was 3 shot from 2600 HP with 150 Armor. He is being called out for being a bullshitter.

The thigh guyJan 15, 20191 votes

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Guy said he was 3 shot from 2600 HP with 150 Armor. He is being called out for being a bullshitter.

I mean. Every champions that’s playable atm does that. So I guess it’s not that insane.

20022012Jan 16, 20191 votes

You know, circlejerking doesn't exactly answer the [citation needed] to be able to say what you're saying ;)

The thigh guyJan 16, 20191 votes

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You know, circlejerking doesn't exactly answer the [citation needed] to be able to say what you're saying ;)

Not really a circle jerk when it’s fact sooooo.

20022012Jan 16, 20191 votes

Good, that's why you cited it ;) Dogmatic facts yaaaay

Hypochondria9Jan 16, 20191 votes

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You know, circlejerking doesn't exactly answer the [citation needed] to be able to say what you're saying ;)

Here's the video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVrCBTpzQLw&feature=youtu.be

20022012Jan 16, 20191 votes

Fiora, Kindred and Thresh are hitting you. You weren't 3 shot, you were already half health and had more max HP than 2600. BS as previously said.

Hypochondria9Jan 16, 20191 votes

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Fiora, Kindred and Thresh are hitting you. You weren't 3 shot, you were already half health and had more max HP than 2600. BS as previously said.

Thresh would do no damage, Kindred landed 2 autos I will give you that. You can visibly see my health bar get massively chunked from every Fiora auto though.

20022012Jan 17, 20191 votes

Thresh would do damage since most of his auto damage is magic. The point is you got 50-0'd by a fed Fiora in 3 hits. That is not a valid argument for there is too much damage in the game.

Hypochondria9Jan 18, 20191 votes

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Thresh would do damage since most of his auto damage is magic. The point is you got 50-0'd by a fed Fiora in 3 hits. That is not a valid argument for there is too much damage in the game.

You started an argument when you called me a liar, I had 2600+HP when Fiora hit me with the first proc just like I said. She hit me 3 times during the CC of a Caitlyn trap and killed me. You can see it on the video. Kindred hit me twice and Thresh maybe once. His passive AA damage would have been used earlier in the fight. So you want to say I had 2300-2400HP instead whatever nice job detective douchebag you really put me in my place

20022012Jan 18, 20191 votes

I mean you said a Fiora killed you in 3 autos implaying she 3 shot you from full, but the truth was that you got 50-0d by a super fed Fiora with the help of her team and still probably think that shouldn't happen 😂

Like what, we gonna start threads now because a 20 kill Veigar 1 shot a 1.5k HP ADC ?

Hypochondria9Jan 18, 20191 votes

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I mean you said a Fiora killed you in 3 autos implaying she 3 shot you from full, but the truth was that you got 50-0d by a super fed Fiora with the help of her team and still probably think that shouldn't happen 😂

Like what, we gonna start threads now because a 20 kill Veigar 1 shot a 1.5k HP ADC ?

I didn't imply it, you assumed it. Keep grasping at straws.

20022012Jan 18, 20191 votes

Funny how every single person replying to you "assumed it" 😂

Hypochondria9Jan 18, 20191 votes

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Funny how every single person replying to you "assumed it" 😂

Reading comprehension is hard for some people I guess.

Hypochondria9Jan 16, 20191 votes

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Guy said he was 3 shot from 2600 HP with 150 Armor. He is being called out for being a bullshitter.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVrCBTpzQLw&feature=youtu.be

first link didn't work

Hypochondria9Jan 16, 20191 votes

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You do realize she'd need 400+ BONUS AD to do this, right?

How are you getting that number? Are you factoring in conqueror, trinity proc, extra Q damage, E damage, because I don't think you are.

SucctionJan 26, 20191 votes

Doesn't even matter if I was, it was three autos. The 20% extra from Conq is at best like 400 damage.

Wunkala RebornJan 15, 20194 votes

Fiora, THE GRAND DUELIST. Her whole kit revolves around outplaying and outdamaging champions in 1v1 fights, her lack of teamfight presence makes up for her strength in 1v1.

Hay5eedJan 15, 20191 votes

Yeah but running up and walloping someone with your sword two or three times isn't "outplaying" it's just dumb.

20022012Jan 15, 20191 votes

If you were playing vs a Fiora with more than 450 bonus AD you kinda deserved to lose.

Edit: You're complaining to have lost to a 15 kill Fiora as a Nasus jungle lmao

IG ZikoJan 14, 20194 votes

Out of 142 champions (including Sylas), how many actually have true damage at all? You guys are so dramatic.

CHODES AND LOADSJan 14, 201910 votes

literally the whole cast of AD champs and melee champs because of fucking IE and conquer

PaffWasTakenJan 14, 201919 votes

19 champions currently have some form of true damage in their kit. If we include the 14 marksmens who don't have innate true damage but who currently builds item 3031 , we get up to 33. Now if we add the 20-ish total characters who can easily use conqueror and who don't already have built-in true damage, we easily get in the 50-something total number of champions who can use true damage out of 142. Even if I did make an approximation with the conqueror users (since some people would argue that some champs would use it or not) we can easily say that about a THIRD or MORE of the current champion pool possess/can use true damage. IMO, being concerned by this balance flaw is far from being overly dramatic; its logical.

AIQJan 15, 20192 votes

Access? I think it's higher if you are using access. You forgot to include...

summoner 14 users. summoner 11 Smite which counts a bit. item 2139 As a bonus.

While none of these are mind blowing except ignite. They add to the pool of True damage.

ZackTheWaffleManJan 15, 20192 votes

Rylai's isn't true damage

AIQJan 15, 20191 votes

Good things it's not on the list?

20022012Jan 15, 20192 votes

He obviously meant Liandrys. People mix the two a lot.

AIQJan 15, 20191 votes

I know what he meant. Was just having fun with it sorry.

A lot of people are down voting my first comment though like I'm wrong. Did I say something wrong or are they all under the impression the first item is Rylais?

20022012Jan 16, 20191 votes

You were wrong in the start, answered like an asshole, and this reply makes you seem like an even bigger asshole

AIQJan 16, 20191 votes

I'm wrong? Please tell me which of the 4 things listed above does not deal true damage.

20022012Jan 16, 20191 votes

Liandry.

AIQJan 16, 20191 votes

Oh man I am wrong lol. When did that change?

Fixed* Thanks. This conversation could've been much easier had we'd open with. Liandrys no longer deals true damage.

Romans VI XXIIIJan 15, 20192 votes

Litterly every champion has access to true damage via conquers. Not as effect on APs but they could use it. But ALOT of ADs abuse it hard.

LordGeovanniJan 15, 20191 votes

Conq is just as effective on ap's true damage wise. Just ap players dont like to auto attack with some champions. Only really Aatrox gets locked out from it due to his kit Reasons why Conq isnt seen as effective is one it doesnt give free ap which is most of the reason for most people two Aps fight in an up front burst with small down times pattern they just dont want to build up conq and auto before unloading which all the ad's have to do too they want it to be easier so they dont have to change their playstyle to make it work and three Magic resist is so garbage what is the point in trying to circumvent it even item 3135 is over kill you dont need true damage even less both together.

ZephyrDrakeJan 14, 20192 votes

Ok... and how are you going to buff them? Oh right you don't care about that. Also a vayne isn't chunking an alistar that has his ult active anymore than anyone else can

Tahminatrix Jan 14, 20198 votes

From just her w alone, every 2 autos from vayne with rageblade on an ulting alistar is 14% of his max health. Even with true damage from infinity edge, a draven would do ALOT less with only 1 q empowered auto (draven isn't going to have nearly as much attack speed as vayne)

DynikusJan 15, 20193 votes

Vayne's primary purpose is shredding tanks. She absolutely should be doing more damage to tanks than Draven. With bork/rageblade being her primary build before going into crit, it makes sense that she's doing okay in a meta where crit itemization is relatively weak.

He's wrong to think vayne doesn't chunk tanks faster than anyone else, because that's what her entire kit is based on. She's really not that problematic (or atleast wasn't pre random Q buff). The problem with true damage currently is how easy it is for anyone to get, so they can kill tanks effectively while also maintaining what the rest of their kit revolves around doing well, making it very difficult to itemize against.

ContDeCaterinca1Jan 15, 20191 votes

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Vayne's primary purpose is shredding tanks. She absolutely should be doing more damage to tanks than Draven. With bork/rageblade being her primary build before going into crit, it makes sense that she's doing okay in a meta where crit itemization is relatively weak.

He's wrong to think vayne doesn't chunk tanks faster than anyone else, because that's what her entire kit is based on. She's really not that problematic (or atleast wasn't pre random Q buff). The problem with true damage currently is how easy it is for anyone to get, so they can kill tanks effectively while also maintaining what the rest of their kit revolves around doing well, making it very difficult to itemize against.

Hear me out on this one. If they reduced Vayne W damage to 10% in would take 3 more procs of Silver Bolts for the true damage to kill people.

With Rageblade, that's 6 more autos. And without factoring in BoTrk damage or crit.

So it's a fair change.

DynikusJan 15, 20192 votes

how is that a fair change? 6 more autos is a lot to a champion that isn't really overpowered. Aside from the questionable q change, she was in a fine spot.