So, is Elise still a problem?

Mcprowlington·9/15/2015, 4:33:58 PM·20 votes·3,838 views
Champion.gg - Elise Jungle Stats, Builds, Runes, Masteries and Counters

Since the nerf in 5.17, I see Elise pretty rarely. her stats don't indicate she's terribly out of line.

Is it really necessary for her to get nerfed yet again?

from the PBE: Elise

Human Form / Spider Form (R)
    Spiderling damage reduced to 10/15/20/25 from 10/20/30/40

Why does a champion who's just slightly above middle of the pack need her late game to be nerfed when it is clearly already shit? Does she feel that oppressive?

30 Comments

CancerNoobUseles9/15/2015, 4:36:31 PM24 votes

she is not lee sin /thread

Auryiel9/15/2015, 5:28:48 PM6 votes

I'd just nerf her early stun duration

Like... 1.4/1.55/1.7/1.85/2 seconds

Or 1.2 to 2 seconds at rank 5

Axxuka9/15/2015, 7:57:40 PM5 votes

''we don't know what makes her strong and how to keep her balanced so we jsut try random stuff and hope it works someday''

They apply the same logic to rek'say, didn't notice ?

Sire Hippington9/16/2015, 11:41:21 AM4 votes

it seems like they learned nothing from the past. Befor elise first was dumpstered, she had 1.5sec on thet stun all ranks, she got everything nerfed but stayed pick/ban in proplay, while getting rather weak in soloQ. When they finally nerfed that early stun duration, and she kinda disapeared. Now they have buffed her early stun duration and her damage, and she went to the problem she was after release, beeing a insanly dominant early jungler, even more than lee ever was, and what they do now is exactly the same as in the past: nerf her damage, leave the high stun duration, so she's stays a highly contested pick in proplay, a dominant early translating into a stunbot with wardstone is prefectly fine for them, but sucks in soloQ once again and fails to deliver a reasonable fantasy beyond the early- to mid-game.

pretty similar with reksai, heavy earlygame, strong map pressure midgame, very little teamfight impact,especially later on, mostly used as mobile radar with sightstione that can be used as meatwall - not a compelling lategame fantasy for her, but combined with that massive early very funktional in proffesional play.

Stiv12349/15/2015, 4:45:36 PM4 votes

Well, if Riot buffs/nerfs some champ and he/she is fine, they somehow think its not enough yet and buff/nerf him/her again, cuz logic.

TacoTheKitten9/15/2015, 6:04:18 PM4 votes

If they nerf her again, I'll be sad. She's actually really balanced right now.

stealthfox949/15/2015, 5:25:57 PM3 votes

Nerfing Elise. What else is new? She's up there for most nerfed champions.

Lugg9/15/2015, 4:58:18 PM3 votes

There is way too much "knee jerk" reactions it seems. If you buff or nerf someone, make it a slight or moderate buff, wait two weeks to see how it shakes out, and then buff or nerf again if needed. Riot is pretty bad at over nerfing or over buffing champs.

Ignis09/15/2015, 5:31:08 PM3 votes

When someone is op nerf them until balanced. Then nerf them some more. -Riot item 3070 RekSai item 3070

CatSith9/15/2015, 5:24:23 PM2 votes

Yeah i find it silly that they buff Lee sins late game but nerfs Elise's late game a patch later.

Hugify9/15/2015, 4:50:42 PM2 votes

Her late Is suppose to be bad,and It's not.

A Miss Fortune9/15/2015, 10:05:01 PM2 votes

I never thought Elise was really that strong after her buffs, maybe her Cocoon was too rewarding but she has obvious counters and counterplay. If she misses her cocoons her ganks are pretty trash in comparison to others, and even when she is carrying she's not that hard to shutdown.

PoopLoopist9/15/2015, 10:05:09 PM2 votes

yes, she needs a nerf, i just played a game where the enemy elise built only runeglaive and was able to burst anyone on my team down in about 2 seconds flat while still haveing spiderlings to protect her from any retribution that my team mates or i might try to dish out at her. I would be fine with her having burst with no spiderlings but not BOTH.

Cowgirl Ed9/15/2015, 7:45:46 PM1 votes

GIbbe link to pbe patch, see nothing on s@20

Auturgist9/15/2015, 8:45:07 PM1 votes

Every single time Riot does anything to Elise, I want to punch them in the nuts, because it's always either terrible, or something I know they will revert in a couple patches anyway. Seriously, fuck them for their inability to get this champion right.

Daxterr9/15/2015, 9:12:53 PM1 votes

K guys. To everyone bitching about these nerfs, I have gotten one shot by an elise spider form auto. 100-0 in 1.2 seconds from spiders alone. Yes I had 30 mr, and yes she was fed but I don't think elise should be killing someone in 1 second with auto attacks regardless.

Edit: She didn't even use runeglave it was ALL from spiders.