Just got from bronze 2 back into 1 for the 6th or so time. First game I play, we lose. This happens every time. I looks at these people's ranks, and they are the same or lower than mine, yet they play like fucking gold+ players making my games impossible to win. Why is this? Why is it that bronze 2 feels like bronze 5, but bronze 1 feels like fucking plat 1?
Sinister Snail3 votesGod damn it Riot.
How am I supposed to rage about Lee Sin when you're being so damn friendly?
No fair, it's like you're real people or something.
LoRdJeSuS69694202 votesIf the change in difficulty is really as stark as you are suggesting though it might just be randomness (ie you are just happening to have bad games right after you get into bronze 1 for no reason other than chance), since it should be a gradual change.
Solels1 votesIt seemed gradual enough, considering I have won my series to get into bronze 1 about 6 times now, but I guess I could see what you mean. Maybe I am matched against people that are legitimately in elo hell, assuming it exists.
MrPerson101 votesBronze feels nothing like Plat.
Sinister Snail1 votesBronze feels nothing like Plat.
I am gonna have to trust you on that :P
MrPerson101 votesBeen in both, platinum players are by and large much more team-oriented over bronze players and make much fewer mistakes.
Just keep improving, work on making less mistakes - you'll pull out of there eventually man.
Solels1 votesI don't think you understand. If I get demoted back to bronze 2, it will have been the 6th time it has happened this season. Also, I just climbed back from bronze 3 (after a really bad streak) to bronze 1 in 2 days. The last thing I want to do is go back any farther.
Solels1 votesIn relation to my skill level, yes it does. Bronze 2 = bronze 5 feel; bronze 1 = what I imagine plat or diamond to feel like.
LoRdJeSuS69694201 votesMaybe you have found right where you belong.
MrPerson101 votesQuite a terrible way to look at it.
If that's how I thought I'd still be stuck being a Bronze III shitter. Now I'm stuck being a Plat I shitter.
Solels1 votesAnd where would that be? Between bronze 2 and 1? Bronze 2 is a damn cakewalk, while bronze 1 is almost impossibly difficult. Clearly I am not where I belong in bronze 2, but the same can be said for bronze 1.
LoRdJeSuS69694201 votesIt doesn't mean you can't improve at the game, it's just how the ranking system works. When games start to get more difficult, it's indicative that you are approaching your real ranking.
Solels1 votesI get challenge; I don't get why it's impossible. It's like I am being matched with people in gold while I am still in bronze. They are sooooo much better than we are every time.
IcyPepper1 votesLooks like you just need to improve. No big deal, just takes time and practice.
Solels1 votesI have been playing since early season 4; it's not like I just started playing. I know I can always get better, but I would like to see the kind of better where I get into silver instead of just "practicing" by battling against titans just to remain in bronze 1.
Joesus Christ1 votesI have been playing since early season 4; it's not like I just started playing. I know I can always get better, but I would like to see the kind of better where I get into silver instead of just "practicing" by battling against titans just to remain in bronze 1.
well its the beginning of S5, so playing sine early S4 is not a long time. and unless you are Flash and just blew through to lvl 30 and immediately started pwning people and winning GSLs, id say 1 year isnt a long time. :/ improving your own play has a lot of factors. but you just need to focus on 1 aspect of your gameplay at a time. figure out which champions you like to play in each role, maybe pick 2, a main and a backup, and then learn each role generally, and then focus on mechanics. imo the biggest thing thatll help you is last hitting. but im sure there are better players than me who can give better perspective on the game.
VladReaper1 votesDivision 1 rankings are always more difficult due to people being close to the next rank and trying much harder than they normally would. What you're experiencing is what Silver 2-5 play is like rather than gold-plat. Once you can jump that hump you can start your slow climb to s1 where it suddenly gets harder again.
Solels1 votesI don't think I will be able to "jump that hump" anytime soon because these players are god-tier in comparison to me. I don't know, maybe my team and I just weren't playing well in all of these games.
RiotRiot ShadowStorm5 votesI've been in a similar situation to you this season, bouncing between gold 3 and 4. Just can't seem to get wins going once I get promoted. It's possible that it's bad luck, but I think it's also psychological. You know you belong in at least Bronze 1 - you've already made it, many times. So getting back is (relatively) easy. You've been there and done that.
But once you're there, you NEED to win to avoid demotion. At least for me, those first few games after promotion are actually MORE stressful! I'm trying so hard to prove myself, to prove that I belong. And that makes me play worse - maybe it's the same for you?
My suggestion is to not think of it in wins/losses, but in knowledge gained. Even when you lose, you're gaining experience, and that makes you better. And soon, you're going to surpass the people you're getting matched up with, and you'll start winning more than you lose, and climbing up. If you're bouncing around those divisions now, then you're probably right on the cusp.
So keep at it, keep learning, and keep your head up. I bet you'll jump it sooner than you expect. =)
GL HF!
Ash Lockheart1 votes[{quoted}](name=Riot ShadowStorm,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=yQGgyNxZ,comment-id=000500000000,timestamp=2015-03-19T07:25:25.956+0000)
I've been in a similar situation to you this season, bouncing between gold 3 and 4. Just can't seem to get wins going once I get promoted. It's possible that it's bad luck, but I think it's also psychological. You know you belong in at least Bronze 1 - you've already made it, many times. So getting back is (relatively) easy. You've been there and done that.
But once you're there, you NEED to win to avoid demotion. At least for me, those first few games after promotion are actually MORE stressful! I'm trying so hard to prove myself, to prove that I belong. And that makes me play worse - maybe it's the same for you?
My suggestion is to not think of it in wins/losses, but in knowledge gained. Even when you lose, you're gaining experience, and that makes you better. And soon, you're going to surpass the people you're getting matched up with, and you'll start winning more than you lose, and climbing up. If you're bouncing around those divisions now, then you're probably right on the cusp.
So keep at it, keep learning, and keep your head up. I bet you'll jump it sooner than you expect. =)
GL HF!
In reality though you guys could improve the match making. I know there are many things you can do. Still waiting to see them. Took me over 3,000 games to get into silver last season. I am sure it will take me another 3,000 games but I think the match making can be better. I don't think it should take some one over 3k games just to move up one.
Ximlee1 votesI got into silver in about 50 o_O
Joesus Christ3 voteshate to say this but if it took you 3000 games to go from B1->S5, then it is because you werent good enough. i went from B2 to G4 in maybe 200-300 games over the course of last season, and thats while playing off and on throughout the year.. 3000 games isnt matchmaking, it means you need to focus on improving your own gameplay.
not saying matchmaking isnt whack in some cases, im just saying that 3000 games isnt a matchmaking issue.
Solels1 votesAppreciate the advice! Thank you. And I do think that has some impact on my gameplay; trying to do well, but failing hard. I think as the season goes on, I will be able to get out of this rut (especially after dozens of times of getting into bronze 1).
paShadoWn1 votesI am not allowed to get promoted. Everytime in my promos i get incredibly stupid and their team gets guidance of military grade. I only managed to get from b5 to b3 by flicking personalities.
DreadPirateChris1 votesHonestly, it's just bad luck. That's simply not how matchmaking works - you don't get matched only with B1 because you are B1, or only with B2 because you are B2. You get matched based on your hidden matchmaking rank. You still get the same games that you would after the same wins and losses regardless of rank. Some people get failed series or quick demotions out of bad luck often enough to be regularly matched with/against people several ranks higher (a full division would be extreme, but 1-2 levels isn't). If you keep win more than you lose your MMR will go up. If your MMR goes up, you gain more LP for wins and lose less for losses - it's even if you have the average MMR for you rank, disadvantaged if you have a lower MMR than your rank, advantaged if you have a higher than average MMR for your rank. Better MMR = easier climbing (if you can still win).
I have to remind myself of this daily, being at the bottom of bronze. I climbed out of bronze 5 winning 4 out of 5 games since placements, and then got demoted again only because in bronze 4 I lose 21 LP or gain 10 and had a slightly unlucky streak. In Bronze 5 I'm even (15/15). But as long as I keep winning my MMR will go up and next time I promote maybe my LP will be more even and I won't get demoted again. (I'm only winning 2 out of 3 now though, maybe I'm on tilt, heh. I was almost certainly on tilt in placements where only won 3 out of 7 and one of those wins was purely being carried... or maybe it was just the craziness of season opening. Either way I trashed my MMR and my rank.)
Swift25681 votesI stopped playing ranked because I was terrified about falling out of a tier.
Battleforge4Life1 votesJust got from bronze 2 back into 1 for the 6th or so time. First game I play, we lose. This happens every time. I looks at these people's ranks, and they are the same or lower than mine, yet they play like fucking gold+ players making my games impossible to win. Why is this? Why is it that bronze 2 feels like bronze 5, but bronze 1 feels like fucking plat 1?
Here is some quick advice for B1:
Pick ONE champion that is extremely versatile (I used Annie). I would play Annie: Mid, APC, Support, or Top. Only Jungle I would have to switch up to a back-up.
MASTER that champion; play nothing but.
Focus more on not-dying than getting fed. Especially in Bronze this can be a game changer. Focus more on CS then getting killed. If you don't feed and farm you will be a late game powerhouse; and there WILL be a late game since you didn't feed.
Once game hits the 20 min mark make sure you are always with your team. Those 4v5 fights cause "that one guy was farming top" can end games very quickly.
Good luck!
Pomax powa 4231 votesI got from Gold I to plat III in 10 games. Then, I'm stuck in Plat III for 35 games. Do you have any advice about how to get back. I'm not doing good since I'm Plat III.
Siyther1 votesi feel u i ve had same problem been playing for about 6 months figuree i try ranked this season out of promos got b3 was like ok.then lost every match til i hit b5 :( then i climb out of b5 in a couple days only ti lose evry game when u get b4 its really annoying climbing back up again from a rank that is so freakin easy.makes u bored and not wanna play for fear of having to do it all over again cause a lot of ppl are bad at this game (maybe me too).
Orchidia Lunaria1 votesThe one thing I notice about these comments are how I can get better...I am clearly no pro but every time I get out of b5 into b4 I always get people on my team who feed and like this threads creator makes me feeling like I am playing against GODS! This has happened 10 times...just to do it again. Even if I get fed and cs well or whatever it makes no difference. I have been playing this game since season 3 on and off because I travel, but this is getting retarded. I first qualified for s5 last season and b5 this season lol... I assume because my mmr is crap. I just want to get back to silver 