Had time for one game before work

Mira Arya Enthe·Dec 17, 2016·37 votes·1,934 views

First had an auto-filled support queue dodge after 3 minutes in queue. Another 3 minutes in queue I get my secondary role which I didn't want to play, but would have at least had fun. Another auto-filled support queue dodges. Then another.

Then I get in a champion select, see I was autofilled to support. By this time I am so enraged I queue dodge. Wasted 12 minutes total, got support which is not what I wanted to do with my hour before work. Forcing me to dodge because I am not wasting my time miserable just because Riot wants me to play support. I play support when I want to.

So 12 minutes down plus the 6 minutes for queue dodge. 18 minutes for me to maybe get into a game. Except well... I have work so now I don't play the game at all.

Are we shortening queue times yet?

39 Comments

steelblackskyDec 17, 201619 votes

so lets see here.

queues . someone gets support and dodges ostensibly for it. again queues. someone gets support and dodges ostensibly for it. again. queues. you get support and dodge for it.

when you are part of the problem. no single raindrop thinks its responsible for the flood.

i mean i get it on the personal level. by and large you aren't going to have the best synergy with anyone you get paired with especially when it matters most for shaping the game during early, and you get less resources to work with.

tends to wind up feeling like you can't meaningfully carry or impact the game from that setup.

which is just one of many parts in the long history of support play hate.

and its a meta thing too. once upon a time teemo was classed ranged, stealth, support. back in the heart of gold era.

nowadays supports aren't that just because they have supportive or utility abilities instead of cc or damage, its been formalized into a position and behaviour expectation over many years. some deal damage, some cc and tank, some shield and heal, but they all depend on working well totally blind from the word go on their partner and all get boned on income.

so rather than decrying queue times, try instead treating the disease, not the symptom.

think about why you "won't have a good time" as support, and why others feel that way strongly enough to dodge.

communicate loudly instead about why you hate the role as it stands, and is increasingly cemented. decry the support by design of suck it up and take everyones crap as a role.

increasingly push for ways in which the role, if it must be maintained as totally meta and skill fixed duo or else synergistic enjoyable play nightmare sucked dry of real feeling of empowerment and agency, can provide more agency, sense of empowerment and less my partner even before level 2, even before minions spawn is going to have more impact on my fate for the next ten minutes than i will, perhaps even more than the enemy duo.

FlyinguillotineDec 18, 20162 votes

Look, I get that the support class needs attention. I agree with you, and I never play support unless autofilled because it feels terrible. But that requires a lot of time and effort from the developers (which let's be real they aren't going to give it), and in the mean time they just try and literally force people to play it. Just give me the longer queue times already, autofill solves nothing.

AninLegions777Dec 18, 20163 votes

He stated this:

got support which is not what I wanted to do with my hour before work

He never said he never wanted to play support. First of all he was already late for work after all the dodges but the fact that he got support at THAT time after all the previous supports had DODGED, he was enraged and had to dodge.

PartholonianDec 19, 20161 votes

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He stated this:

He never said he never wanted to play support. First of all he was already late for work after all the dodges but the fact that he got support at THAT time after all the previous supports had DODGED, he was enraged and had to dodge.

No, he was enraged and CHOSE to dodge. Just like the people who put him in that position. Karma always catches up to you.

AninLegions777Dec 19, 20161 votes

Mind you, OP isn't complaining about those that dodged, he's complaining about autofill making people dodge. Also, he chose to dodge for the benefit of his team. I prefer he dodge than enter the game, rage out of frustration and play badly.Post

theArtifactsJan 8, 20171 votes

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Mind you, OP isn't complaining about those that dodged, he's complaining about autofill making people dodge. Also, he chose to dodge for the benefit of his team. I prefer he dodge than enter the game, rage out of frustration and play badly.Post

Last I checked autofill doesn't kick you out of the game. Your own shit attitude motivates you to quit.

TyrekGoldenspearDec 17, 20169 votes

And that's why I started spamming ARAM on my last week of school. Lol.

But now that I'm on break things really settled down. I got mid like 5 times in a row so far. No dodges.

redniwediSDec 17, 20166 votes

You weren't forced to dodge, you decided to. That was a free choice you made. The rest of the post is fine.

Mira Arya EntheDec 17, 20164 votes

Never said I was forced to dodge. But like all those other people, I had no interest in playing support that game. I play Leona and Soraka when I want to. Being forced into it is just going to be misery for me and my entire team, dodging it is better for everyone involved. Because autofill never goes well.

redniwediSDec 17, 20163 votes

[{quoted}](name=Mira Arya Enthe,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=yKu9A4fA,comment-id=,timestamp=2016-12-17T16:55:34.568+0000) Forcing me to dodge because I am not wasting my time miserable just because Riot wants me to play support. I play support when I want to.

I'm not saying it should happen one way or another, just that no one forced you to do anything.

PartholonianDec 19, 20161 votes

[{quoted}](name=Mira Arya Enthe,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=yKu9A4fA,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2016-12-17T17:42:50.336+0000)

Because autofill never goes well.

...in games with you in them, maybe. (Or more precisely: when you're the one who is autofilled. How would you know if one of your team was, unless they bitched about it? Let alone the other team, who probably isn't even talking to you?)

It works fine in my games, because when I get autofilled, I actually try to play the role assigned to me. And then, win or lose, next game I have autofill immunity. Even if that next game isn't until tomorrow because of limited time to play on one particular day.

SugarRayMoeDec 17, 20163 votes

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redniwediSDec 17, 20162 votes

That's not even remotely close to a good analogy.

SugarRayMoeDec 17, 20164 votes

You are FORCED to play support or dodge. No other option. Yes, it's a valid analogy.

redniwediSDec 17, 20162 votes

You are forced to make a choice. No one is denying that.

What the OP's wording suggests is that he was forced to choose one option only. Your analogy would fit if both of those options were there, but you didn't get to choose between the two.

FlyinguillotineDec 18, 20162 votes

Let's see. He can dodge, making everyone go through the queue again and he has to wait a couple minutes. Or, he can play support, feed, not support his adc and waste around half an hour to forty five minutes of his entire team. Do the math.

redniwediSDec 18, 20161 votes

I did the math, and I understand what a choice is.

By his wording he is trying to be a victim of the choice he made. He is a victim of the situation, not the choice, and this is a very important distinction that could actually add quite a bit to his post, if people would just stop downvoting and listen to what I'm saying.

The OP is focusing on the wrong part of the problem here, and it's the part he had some amount of control over. Get it right.

LeetriDec 18, 20161 votes

Or he can play support, not feed, do his best to support the ADC and still win the game because he didn't throw a hissy fit like a toddler. I'm no ADC main, it's my least preferred role, but I can still hold my own and not feed if I have to play it.

theArtifactsJan 8, 20171 votes

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Or, he can play support, feed, not support his adc and waste around half an hour to forty five minutes of his entire team.

Just cause he was given support doesn't mean he has to feed, waste the game, or not support his adc. He didn't even say he "can't support". He said he didn't want to support. Big difference. He's being a baby.

FlyinguillotineJan 10, 20171 votes

Try and think beyond just this one case. Take me, for example. I am a terrible support. I don't have an option other than to either stay so far back that I'm useless (and still probably die a couple of times) or try and help and feed constantly.

GULAG 4 UDec 17, 20165 votes

Blindpick ftw :^)

DanjengDec 17, 20164 votes

With autofill being a thing, it's actually much better to call out your role in blind pick.

GULAG 4 UDec 17, 20161 votes

At least in blind you can pick mordekaiser for a certain chance to fuck over yasuo : ^)

TheIronRevenantDec 17, 20161 votes

You can do that in draft to :^)

GULAG 4 UDec 18, 20161 votes

Q times : ^)

FingerFlavoredDec 17, 20164 votes

I am actually glad that you weren't able to play a game as someone who might have been in your game. Game average is between 30-45 mins after lobby.

Meaning when the game goes long you're most likely to force fights when you shouldn't and drawing out the game longer and longer to where you have to AFK or be extremely toxic.

Basically you may be old enough to be an adult, but Responsibilities"MOM" is saying you have an hour before bedtime"work" and get ready. Nope going to take the risk.

Mira Arya EntheDec 18, 20163 votes

Who the fuck goes to bed at 11am?

Also I played another videogame for 50 minutes and still got to work. I can manage my own time thank you.

FingerFlavoredJan 8, 20171 votes

Someone who has to take a nappy.

theArtifactsJan 8, 20171 votes

[{quoted}](name=Mira Arya Enthe,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=yKu9A4fA,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2016-12-18T16:15:26.843+0000)

Who the fuck goes to bed at 11am?

Also I played another videogame for 50 minutes and still got to work. I can manage my own time thank you.

Reading comprehension isn't your finest quality eh?

DracocrashDec 17, 20164 votes

I cant help but agree with you, but at the same time I feel autofill has reduced que times over all.

As someone who is OK with autofill, my only problem is people who do get autofilled, but dont want to play the role so start trolling.

And that makes me not ok with autofill.

#downWithAutoFill

Sassmast3rDec 18, 20163 votes

As much as I thoroughly enjoy reading your Shyvana posts, this is something I have to entirely disagree with you on. Do I hate autofill? Though not affected by it because I main support, so I couldn't care less, I always get my role anyways, I think autofill is disgusting. However, I can't say I agree with you when you contribute to the same problem you complain about. I understand that you can't really fight against this problem, otherwise you'd just have to flat out stop playing, however, don't become part of the problem and simultaneously complain about it. Honestly, if you aren't in a good enough mood AND you don't have enough time to play a game before work where there's a slight chance you get a role you don't want, you shouldn't even be queueing up for a game.

Basic DuckDec 18, 20162 votes

Not gonna lie, I just started putting fill as my main choice, I've gotten adc, jung, and top more than I've been put into the support roll. Which is funny because I've been put into the jung/adc roll plenty of times when putting support/fill as my choices.

Herbal KentDec 18, 20162 votes

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theArtifactsJan 8, 20171 votes

[{quoted}](name=Herbal Kent,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=yKu9A4fA,comment-id=0009,timestamp=2016-12-18T06:38:31.698+0000)

When players are being told how to play a game, something is wrong.

Every single game ever created has an instructions booklet.

FlyinguillotineDec 18, 20162 votes

I think you made the right call dodging. No point in wasting the time of yourself and the rest of your team playing a role you don't want. Autofill sucks, I hope your later games go better.

Autrah FangDec 18, 20161 votes

well, technically it does reduce queue times... they just are choosing to ignore the auto-fill related dodges.

420 gramsJan 8, 20171 votes

Play aram or 3 v 3?

theArtifactsJan 8, 20171 votes

Quit being part of the problem and be part of the solution. Autofill is here to stay. Deal with it. Or you know.. keep dodging games cause I'd rather not have you on my team anyway. Your dodge queue timer will go up, I'll play more games without you on my team. It'll be great. Eventually the small, vocal minority, of auto-fill dodgers will be weeded out by queue timers and we'll have a nice time going through queue, champ select, and into the game :)

AgeOfTheMageJan 8, 20171 votes

proceeds to main support but that aside, even though i main support i need to take a break from it