MMR makes NO sense...

JoeAnarchy·Jul 2, 2018·3 votes·2,352 views

seriously, a bronze 5 can have the MMR of a gold 1? what facilitates MMR? why does it effect match making, but not actually reflect rank?

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Get Ogre HereJul 2, 20184 votes

No one knows their actual MMR, op.gg is just a guess so it may be inaccurate.

It does reflect rank in a way. The basic point of MMR it to put people in the elo which they belong in the most.

Let's say, for example, someone is in bronze games when they're a diamond skill player, for whatever reason. They're playing at a diamond level, smashing the bronzes every game. This is a toxic thing for the bronzes, so Riot wants to stop it. So what they do, if this person has a 98% win rate in bronze or some shit, Riot will place them in higher elo games until their win rate starts to even out, and if their MMR gets high enough, they'll skip ranks, so the diamond player gets the diamond they deserve quicker.

But it is very odd to be bronze 5 with a gold 1 MMR and not skip ranks, so that's probably op.gg being inaaccurate.

Quil EvrythingJul 2, 20182 votes

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No one knows their actual MMR, op.gg is just a guess so it may be inaccurate.

It does reflect rank in a way. The basic point of MMR it to put people in the elo which they belong in the most.

Let's say, for example, someone is in bronze games when they're a diamond skill player, for whatever reason. They're playing at a diamond level, smashing the bronzes every game. This is a toxic thing for the bronzes, so Riot wants to stop it.

but they dont stop it. Bcause if someone's goal with an account is "stomp noobs". then they just choose to not carry, every other game, and they stay at same mmr. its stupid to even try that stuff, when it screws over everyone else.

Get Ogre HereJul 2, 20181 votes

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but they dont stop it. Bcause if someone's goal with an account is "stomp noobs". then they just choose to not carry, every other game, and they stay at same mmr. its stupid to even try that stuff, when it screws over everyone else.

Well there's not much Riot can do about that unfortunately :/

There's no perfect system, so Riot uses MMR to try to keep it under control the best they can.

rtbf221651412Jul 2, 20181 votes

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Well there's not much Riot can do about that unfortunately :/

It's called a better skill measurement system that wasn't made...

9 YEARS AGO

Shined Poo is still Poo by the way.

Get Ogre HereJul 2, 20181 votes

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It's called a better skill measurement system that wasn't made...

9 YEARS AGO

If you think of something better I'd love to hear it. I sure can't :p

rtbf221651412Jul 2, 20182 votes

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If you think of something better I'd love to hear it. I sure can't :p

Well starting people off at 1200 MMR is stupid to start with. People should work up.

Having a team dictate your MMR more than your skill level individually is rediculous.(Usually high skilled individuals know what teamwork is to begin with)

Quil EvrythingJul 6, 20181 votes

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Well there's not much Riot can do about that unfortunately :/

so they should STOP TRYING. and just focus on making the game better for everyone else.

rtbf221651412Jul 2, 20181 votes

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No one knows their actual MMR, op.gg is just a guess so it may be inaccurate.

So why are you stating you know it after this sentence?

While also trying to defend it with this sentence + fluff?

When it hasn't been released and approximations being the only source?

Get Ogre HereJul 2, 20181 votes

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So why are you stating you know it after this sentence?

While also trying to defend it with this sentence + fluff?

When it hasn't been released and approximations being the only source?

No one knows it EXACTLY, it's just that it's been concluded that (very basically) the higher your win rate is, the hgiher your MMR is. I'm not sure how op.gg calculates it, if they have their own formula, if they pull numbers out of the air, whatever. They just give you a general idea.

rtbf221651412Jul 2, 20181 votes

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No one knows it EXACTLY

Yes, which is why you shouldn't say what you just said either.

HügöJul 2, 20182 votes

It is not inaccurate. You just leave champions selection in promo games. You lose the promo but don't lose mmr.

BoslohJul 2, 20181 votes

well, I would like to share my experience. I have been playing for several years now. jumping back and forth from bronze to silver, silver to gold and gold to silver to bronze. I believe that time of the day sometimes ( don't quote me ) affect the average mass of the ranks. during school days I get better players, sometimes too good to be in this tier ( as good as 15 kills 0 deaths). On weekends I get less experienced players who sometimes I think they're 12-15 years old people playing the game. what I am trying to say is that the type of people playing during the day differs you might have played in the prime time of players who dropped from gold like my self in low tiers. because sometimes I feel I am playing against bots and sometimes I feel a bot myself. so yeah, you might think its the MMR system but the MMR system can't do s%^& if there are no lower tier players in the time you are playing. also, people might be duo-ing with their friends. one is not good the other is dominating those tiers. I don't think we can do anything about it if that was one of the two cases. Cheeers

Quil EvrythingJul 6, 20181 votes

{quoted} also, people might be duo-ing with their friends. one is not good the other is dominating those tiers. I don't think we can do anything about it if that was one of the two cases. Cheeers

yes exactly. so they should stop trying to do someting about it, and just have no MMR adjustments for team play

BoslohJul 13, 20181 votes

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yes exactly. so they should stop trying to do someting about it, and just have no MMR adjustments for team play

I wish it was that easy to do it

Alex h8721Jul 13, 20181 votes

What you said about weekends is 100% true, have noticed the same thing on big holidays, its like all the kids are out of school and just jump on the game and dont give a damn.

If you want to climb DO NOT play ranked on weekends.