Assumption about Riot's Balance Team, please READ!

Lioncourt06·Feb 13, 2016·8 votes·1,287 views

Answer these questions as your reply to this post.

What do you think about Riot's balancing and or balance team/philosophy?

Is their direction working? good? should continue?

What would you change?

On a scale of 1-10, how well is Riot doing in the balance department?

Here's my analysis/opinion:

i dont like their balance team/philosophy, i think Meddler needs to be fired and replaced, he's making League of legends bad for everyone and here's why:

[1. it's not healthy for a competitive game to go through continuous balance cycles with no ultimate balance solution.

Here's why: the people (us) are negatively affected when one of these changes occur, you nerf one champion and another will replace it, and so the nerfing will continue, it's a cycle that never ends.

Another reason is that the champs lose their value, if you nerf a champion it becomes worthless and only remembered that it was toxic once and now it's unplayable.

Continuous negative trends: after the old meta get's nerfed, a new cancerous meta comes to light.

Identity of champions are threatened: due to balance concerns, some champs cant live up to their identity: , , etc.

Why cant WE the people decide trends? it's always Riot's decision to establish a meta, i hate this.

[2. Riot's balance direction is opening up a griveous wound to it's eSports and player scene because it keep's shelling out new content without fixing what's broken.

Our new champ opens up another can of worms and balance issues. Who knows when he's going to establish a trend, and then later be nerfed because of it, this is bad. Previous to Jhin we got kindred that needs balancing, etc.

I could go on and on about balance but the most important thing i want to discuss is that i think a bunch of teenagers are running the balance direction of League under an incompetent leader (meddler) and are slowly killing League because they cant establish the identity of champions and let us establish metas.

28 Comments

Faith BreakerFeb 13, 20163 votes

Riot's balance team is too busy jerking each other off to hear any feed back that anything they do isn't gold rainbows pony farts and better then sliced ham.

Lioncourt06Feb 13, 20162 votes

Riot only cares about what THEY want to see, not what players need, players need options to select a champ that they love, but it's too risky these days because that champion can get nerfed and it's not fun for anyone, i was maining Graves and Fiora and now they are getting nerfs :/ time to re-learn and focus on new champs, but for what? so that they can be nerfed too? either you pick the most OP that Riot makes or go with a shit tier champ, you are given Riot's CHOICE, not our own, it's bad for the game.

Faith BreakerFeb 13, 20161 votes

So many times I put Fiddlesticks as my intended champ to play, only to have to switch out and pick another Jungler when I see the enemy has more then 1 (ie, 2 , 3, or 4) champ with CC and a displacement (knock up/back/disrupt channels). I have alot of ppl sometimes ask why I didn't go Fid, and I tell em why. How easy it is to push q with Sej and stop me from channeling my ult, or the fact that Alitar can Pulverise Fiddle out of his drain, and Headbutt him away during Crowstorm. I remember when picking Fiddle was NEVER the wrong choice, and how it always meant I had the chance to pull off insane Crowstorms under enemy towers with WotA and survive leaving the enemy confused.

Now there are such rare and select circumstances I feel I can even PICK Fiddlesticks, that when I do pick him up and enter into the game I feel such anxiety and hesitation. Because even under ideal circumstances Fiddle has always been a play maker, and really really really needs his team there to follow up and finish the plays that he makes, otherwise he comes across as a very flashy and over eager newb (not noob)

SnugglePuggle94Feb 13, 20163 votes

I hate the balance team right now and basically everything about this season. ADC's are everywhere, Zed and Xin are out of control, the new Duskblade item giving Zed and others even more ways to kill faster, AP itemization drastically nerfed and ignored....I could go on. I literally want to go back in time to season 5. I wouldn't mind Meddler being fired if CertainlyT went along with him too.

Lioncourt06Feb 13, 20162 votes

we have 130 champs to play, have Riot to fully fix them and never balance them, let us do that and increase bans to 8 bans total from the 6 we currently have

ZT XperimentorFeb 13, 20162 votes

Frankly I think; they should either go back to the original crew and start over, or replace everyone. Granted I would still be against such extreme actions however, peoples' lives shouldn't be ruined over a game either.

Lioncourt06Feb 13, 20163 votes

i think they need to focus on the champions gameplay (prioritize fun gameplay) and identity, this will make the champions unique with their own kits and fun to play, and with no mindless nerfing/buffing, people wil create metas and have fun that way, but no... every 1-2 weeks Riot consistently breaks and puts the meta that THEY want

YCitizenSnipsYFeb 13, 20162 votes

Man you're a bad troll

Lioncourt06Feb 13, 20163 votes

just downvote and leave, no need to leave useless comments, atleast post your opinion with some thought instead of wasting peoples times looking at your useless comment

YCitizenSnipsYFeb 13, 20161 votes

Ok, don't make a useless thread because you think you can get the same attention that the other ones on the same subject are generating.

Bad troll, you can do better than this.

PhantomGGFeb 13, 20161 votes

We should call a team of A student college mathematicians bad at balancing despite the majority of us having mediocre grades in math and the majority of the time simply post about things that we are salty about instead of putting clear reasoning behind our thoughts as we allow jaded views to even cloud our reasoning and logic.

We know near nothing of how they function yet we demand change.

Change of what? Change of something they may already be doing?

Lioncourt06Feb 13, 20163 votes

let me ask you this: should RIot control trends/metas? it seems they only buff the champions they want to see, and nerf the champions that annoy them, we should decide the meta, not Riot

PhantomGGFeb 13, 20161 votes

The meta would never change again if another patch never happened, it would be stuck completely as is, you know absolutely NOTHING about balancing and it makes my brain hurt.

Lioncourt06Feb 13, 20162 votes

'it would be stuck compeletely as it is' umm nope, no it wouldnt because players can adapt, if you play against a graves Top enough, you get to find out what champion counters him and you find out how to counter-play graves, it's called learning, Riot doesent let us figure out how to deal with cancer champs because in a few weeks they nerf that champion, Riot is doing the work for us, but that's bad

PhantomGGFeb 13, 20161 votes

I am legit not even going to reply to this, this legit makes me question why humanity has gotten so far as a species.

Phanatos out.

Lioncourt06Feb 13, 20163 votes

you obviously never heard of starcraft: brood war, that game never got balanced, the players found strategies and metas to work things out..

Faith BreakerFeb 13, 20161 votes

He's a troll.

Faith BreakerFeb 13, 20162 votes

I'm amused you think the shell you exist in is worth calling humanity. Socipaths aren't human at all bro

Faith BreakerFeb 13, 20162 votes

You also know nothing, which makes the fact you are acting like you do disgusting and offensive.

Whut Thuh Feb 13, 20162 votes

your adeptness in math has nothing to do with balancing a very popular game that not only provides millions of people with entertainment but also plays hundreds if not thousands of people house bills every day. whether its league vids on youtube or sponsors because your pro. this makes balance in the game very important

so yes people in the community should be able to demand change but riot either goes too farm or does something we never wanted to begin with. like they said they wont play "whack-a-mole" with the new masterys . this was the excuse they had not to nerf thunderloards after they nerfed fervor and demolished the bloodlust masteries.

but i think the worst thing riot has ever done is allow favouritism into their balancing decisions i.e. zed and lee sin have seen consistant pro play since release. even when assasins werent good in the cinderhulk meta people still played him because he never gets nerfed. he gets buffs when hes not strong enough and rarely gets put back when hes strong again. same with lee sin. and riot has said a couple of times that they nerfed champions because they have had too much time in the lcs paraphrasing alot but thats the gist of it. thats what happened to sejuani.

Faith BreakerFeb 13, 20162 votes

And we get douche bags like you that piss in a puddle call it a post and expect us to see some non existance inherent wisdom in it.

AscendedxBladeFeb 13, 20161 votes

funny how season 1 through 3 was the players making the meta by playing things in unusual ways.

Lioncourt06Feb 13, 20161 votes

players were solving current meta problems... players solved and found new ways to play, and come up with new comps and strategies, but all that is gone.. it's Riot that's calling the shots on who get's picked and who get's left to rott, i dont think that's good for the game, it's declining for a reason.

The Voids CallFeb 13, 20161 votes

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Why cant WE the people decide trends? it's always Riot's decision to establish a meta, i hate this.

actually this use to be the case, it's the reason a lot of old champions have random scaling on some of their moves, tryn E, Malzahar's voidlings, sivir Q, exc. They use to just make interesting concepts and let players find the most effective ways to utilize the kits given. They'd nerf the numbers a little or something, to bring it into line, then see how the community reacted. (if they kept playing it or if they changed how they played the champion)

Now they want to establish this specific environment of gameplay each season. Which is almost always one which highlights these flashy champions constantly.

And much to my (and other's) dismay, they're philosophy seems to revolve around twitch reactions and mechanical skill. This is only made more evident by item 3147 basically extending the range of AD assassins to bruisers (as if they already couldn't half the time) and even some tanks. Though just by the design of this, it's clear that they believe an assassin should be able to kill a non-tank champion in under 2 seconds.

Idk about you, but 2 seconds to react and counter an enemy's combo isn't exactly engaging or fun gameplay imo. Hell even being in combat with an enemy for less than 2 seconds doesn't even sound fun. Even if i'm the one who would be using the damn thing.

Lioncourt06Feb 13, 20162 votes

i dont like this direction, XinZhao is fkn broken right now, it'l be soon that Riot will 'address' this and nerf the champ, it's just not right, they need to leave the meta alone

Faith BreakerFeb 13, 20161 votes

Riot had no business releasing Xin from PBE because people were already getting pissed and making posts telling Riot not to. But Riot never listens to anyone on PBE it's like a joke.

euJHINiusFeb 13, 20161 votes

I see where you were going with this, but you didn't really address the design issues correctly.

Slamurai JackFeb 13, 20161 votes

"Ultimate balance solution"? Riot doesn't want a perfectly balanced game m8. A perfectly balanced game is insanely boring and very quickly loses relevance as a spectator sport. You wanna know an example of a perfectly balanced game? Checkers. And who gives a fuck about checkers.