Is it just me or do you feel the same?
In my opinion all of these are must ban or pick.
The current state of the game is pretty unhealthy.
I prefer sticking to champs that i like to play, but at the moment it seems inefficient if i want to climb
Critmaster Garen12 votes
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Eedat3 votesWould rather play against him than
Spaceman5pff2 votesIDK... Whenever I play against a Hecarim, I manage to countergank for a kill early, then he gets 
and is suddenly 12-2
Eedat2 votesAt least you can kind of juke his ult by taking a step towards him when you see him use it or dashing sideways. Vi just point and click locks you down and can hop over walls with her Q. Kha kills you before he even lands from his leap. There may not be much wiggle room with Hec, but there's at least some. I'll take some over none all day
Dabrick013 votesWhat? Did you watch NB3's video or something?
FULL LETHALITY ONE SHOT HECARIM BUSTED GAMEPLAY HAS TO GET NERFED!111!!!!11!!!!!!!1!!
Critmaster Garen8 votesWhat? Did you watch NB3's video or something?
FULL LETHALITY ONE SHOT HECARIM BUSTED GAMEPLAY HAS TO GET NERFED!111!!!!11!!!!!!!1!!
nightblue stupidity aside, hecarim has been top teir jungler for quite some time.
GankedFromBehind1 votesFucking finally something I can agree with.
Ahristocats4 votescait isn't must ban/pick same for talon
Glory972 votesafter the buffs to lethality talon is really strong if you know what you are doing. Yes there aren't that many talon players out there, thats why i dont prioritise banning him but if you face a good talon he is insane.
In plat+ talon has an average winrate 54.5%, among the highest of all champions https://www.op.gg/champion/talon/statistics/mid
and in my opinion cait is also very strong
Oelyk1 votesYay for talon mains.
Thefrostyviking1 votesI don't think Caitlyn is but hasn't Talon skyrocketed in popularity since the lethality buffs?
Altho mainly in Korea as far as i know. His ability to rush it and hard carry to end a game early is apparently loved over there.
Ahristocats1 votesi didn't say talon is bad WTF
i said he isn't must pick or ban
Thefrostyviking1 votesI never said that you said that he was bad either O_O
What i meant to ask you was if he hasn't risen to the lvl of pick or ban considering how much the koreans are focusing on him. They are usually ahead of everyone else so i wouldn't be suprised at all if it was the case. And just last night i had the displeasure of playing against one, i wasn't able to tell how strong the champ was for i got quite fed and the rest of the team did as well.
However he could oneshot my little mage if i missplayed, and i doubt he'd have any issue's with any other squishy for his damage was very damm high. Only issue was that the player himself constantly ran face first into CC .....
Troll for Trump1 votesHe's good for the korean(and prob Chinese) playstyle and meta, but not so much for NA meta.
LankPants2 votesHe's near a 55% winrate in NA, I don't know what the fuck you're smoking. The Lethality changes broke more or less every champion who can use Lethality.
Troll for Trump1 votesYeah, but that's with a small playrate.
He's good, but not something you can pick every game, like a Lee Sin/Yasuo type
Thefrostyviking1 votesSame goes for EU, we aren't as good as them at the early aggro game.
However i do think that if someone here were to learn how to do it properly it would certainly be scary for the opponents.
ThePikol3 votes
is not one of them anymore?
Also, how is Mao op?
Glory975 votesyes i think is still op, but if i dare to say so in the first place, a few million yasuo mains will come to convince me he isnt op. And i'll be treated like bronze because according to them only bronze player dont know how to counter them. (Ok im silver, and i didnt mean to insult bronze players)
goes full tank, with his ult dmg reduction he can tank an entire team for 10 seconds or so, and he still does enough dmg to be an effective assassin pre 30 min.
Imo maokai is op but if you disagree i wont argue about it
Aquafuge1 votesSo by what you're saying Yas isn't op as long as you can get Maokai on your side? That is pretty much true though, i Played mao against a yas a week or so ago and Yas must have had a bad game or it was a bad yas because Mao dismantled him
LVL 5 PORO3 votesFor me, its:
just flat out busted.
overtuned, overpowered, and overloaded.
arguably not OP, but he goes 10/0 against my top every game and I'm tired of it.
An ADC that's a better duelist and jungler than duelist and junglers ... k.
in 100% of my games, tired of seeing him. Just flat out broken and OP for ages and Riot refuses to do anything about it.
Not OP, but Support Malz is annoying.
"Lets build full tank and one-shot squishes!"
Please for the love of God don't feed her!
I refuse to play a game with a Yasuo in it. I ban him every game and if he manages to slip through I dodge. I dont fucking care anymore, I'm not dealing with this bullshit anymore. Even if my teammate hovers it, oh well.
Don't even get me started ...
GankedFromBehind1 votesVayne is actually so sad right now in this meta.
Edge of Night fucks her only peel and most Lethality ADCs tear her to shreads before she ever gets in range.
LVL 5 PORO1 votesTell that to my team that manages to give her 5 kills before 10mins.
Bootleg Gay2 votesI find it easier to play against and than the others. I usually never even ban champions like these. If I work with my team, these kinds of champions are easy to fight.
Wolf Queen2 votes are all not even close to op. Even rengar has counters, though as always hes pretty strong for OTP. In fact kha'zix is probably the easiest of all of those to counter. Do you seriously not know how to counter a kha'zix? If you seriously think banning kha'zix is "his only counter" then you really need to rethink everything you think you know about league. Stay near minions or your allies. How fucken complicated is that?
LankPants13 voteshttps://na.op.gg/champion/khazix/statistics/jungle
Kha'zix with his 56% banrate, 53.25% winrate and 22.4% pickrate isn't broken?
Here's what's actually happening here, Kha'zix is actually busted as fuck and you're just really bad at playing him, hence the 33% winrate.
He's absolutely pick/ban right now, he's a disgusting champ.
Spaceman5pff2 votesI wouldn't say Broken when Overtuned is likely a better word.
Kha has some of the clearest, most cut and dry counterplay on LOL. He is definitely not broken. Sure his numbers are high, and combine that with being a fun and unique assassin, and you get a very popular champion.
JoeMG2 votesHis kit is actually pretty healthy. The main problem is how strong his early game is. Because of this he can usually get a few kills ahead during laning phase and the game is so snowbally right now that he just gets out of control from there.
Pimasterchampion1 votesthe problem with kha is that his q can duel tanks and burst squishies. if you nerf the q enough to not kill tanks, it won't have enough damage to kill the squishies before they burst you.
Spaceman5pff1 votesWhich is why the OLD Q would be nice to have back.
Higher damage, but longer CD.
Still destroys squishies, but is no longer a tank buster
Wolf Queen1 votesout of 14 games played on him...yea cause a win rate out of 14 games really shows how good or bad you are at a champ...thats like saying 80% win rate with ahri is amazing...out of 10 games
LankPants1 votesNo I'm saying the reason you undervalue him is that when you play him you lack the impact that other players have. I wouldn't say that based off of your games alone, but the fact you say he's not broken and have poor results shows that you're probably not quite using him correctly.
Spaceman5pff2 votesNeed more OP champs to counter the OP ones.
This is the goal, make EVERYTHING overloaded cancer to counter the overloaded cancer already in the game.
Ultra Rapid Fyre1 votesno champ is too op to counter. play better
SEKAI1 votes[{quoted}](name=Ultra Rapid Fyre,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=yERPK6II,comment-id=0010,timestamp=2017-02-06T16:31:35.849+0000)
no champ is too op to counter. play better
By your logic, taking a gun into a knife fight is entirely okay, it's just that the knife fighter needs to do better eh?
Who is Taliyah1 voteshttps://fat.gfycat.com/FragrantPreciousAcornwoodpecker.webm
couldn't find the gif so here is a webm
SEKAI1 voteshttps://fat.gfycat.com/FragrantPreciousAcornwoodpecker.webm
couldn't find the gif so here is a webm
To be fair, he was using a lightsaber, the most OP weapon there is. It cuts through anything, blocks anything, instantly grants you the power to predict and parry even the fastest of lasers, grant you access to the Force, and.....
Anyway, nice clip.
Covert Ops Gnar1 votes
Chembaron Yamada1 votes 49,50% winrate in plat+ and you want to add him to the op list.... really?
Who is Taliyah3 voteswinrate is not all there is. Zac is pure cancer to play against.
Chembaron Yamada1 votesGranted, he may be annoying to play against. But overpowered and so a must ban? Don't think so.
Iźuku Midoriya1 votesHonestly at around 100-125 champs in the game, riot should have 5 bans on each team, there are just too many in the pool of champs
Troll for Trump1 votesLol, played vs a yas last game
banned 
I only control 1 or 0 of the bans. Yas starts being obnoxious in game(Yas has basically done nothing the entire game, yet he 1v2s Naut and Draven).
"That's why you have 3 bans lul"
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LankPants1 votesCan't wait for 5 bans. Lee Sin/Kha'zix/Yas every game, get them to 100% ban rate so Riot knows where their nerf hammer must be swung.
zarxus12341 votesriots balance is really poor at the moment.
I Am Ravi1 votesPro play has 10 banns, they still can't ban all the OPs. Nuff said.
Swaid1 votesThat feel when the champions you normally play aren't listed in OP's post.
ItsOrval1 votes
you forgot a few Kappa
IA9hRfpP5q1 votes
AMYS GRAVE1 votesPart of the problem is the game systems which allow those champions to snowball. Each of (most of) their kits individually are in principle balanceable.