shouldnt teemo ...like yknow... get a small buff since you gutted his shrooms so much?

agbudar·Feb 8, 2016·26 votes·1,688 views

im not talking about making his shrooms strong again but more like give him some power elsewhere so he can perhaps duel a bit better.

right now i've tried him several ways and it really doesn't feel like you can make any impact in the game at all. shroom presence has been heavily nerfed. i played against a teemo and stumbled over him while triple killing his team because he was just that free farm. this seems like its going to be like sejuani and previously olaf nerfed/gutted and nothing remains but an empty husk of a champion.

anyways just a thought im talking about a 0.1 ap increase on either his E on hit effect or his Q, nothing too serious.

48 Comments

weeaboomerFeb 8, 20165 votes

No. If you're doubting his power, just look at that Masters teemo main. Nuff said.

Troll ArmadaFeb 8, 20166 votes

master can make any champ look good, we are talking about regular salt of the earth players, who do it out of love not money.

Almighty TeemoFeb 8, 201611 votes

Ivan himself said teemo is weak. Nuff said.

Arcade AndrewFeb 8, 20165 votes

its teemo, he is annoying and OP enough as is. he needs more nerfs

Only Play DariusFeb 8, 20165 votes

No he should be removed from the game

A Miss FortuneFeb 8, 20164 votes

Teemo probably won't be seeing any buffs. The champion is toxic and makes the game unfun. He's not overpowered by any means at all but due to the nature of his kit he usually makes the game just really unfun. Riot wants to rework him because his kit is obviously very outdated and of course toxic. Due to the enormous fanbase around Teemo it would be impossible for Riot to enforce a decent rework without removing defining aspects that the community has accepted and memed, including and ESPECIALLY his mushrooms.

Pretty much Teemo can't be buffed because whenever he is at a viably strong state his kit let's him invalidate the enemy top laner from the game and make it the most boring, anti-fun lane ever and Teemo can't be reworked because the community would have a colossal backlash because parts to his kit like his shrooms and blind would probably be replaced and he would be given a completely new identity from now.

The Bíg TicketFeb 8, 20162 votes

Honestly Teemo is alot more fun to play against than Quinn, Graves, Lissandra, Vayne or Lulu top. He easily gets punished for overextending and there a lot of champs who can even shit on him 1v1.

A Miss FortuneFeb 8, 20162 votes

He easily gets punished for overextending and there a lot of champs who can even shit on him 1v1.

That's more of a weakness he has. Regardless of his weaknesses or strengths he's still a toxic champion. I think Teemo has the potential to be far more toxic than any of the champions you listed but Riot purposely keeps him in an unviable state. I believe there are a few times in history where Teemo was a "strong" pick and he just ruined the game for everyone who was on the enemy team, not because he was necessarily overpowered but because he was just the definition of toxicity.

The Bíg TicketFeb 8, 20161 votes

Well but thats the problem...these champions I listed before can overextend without getting punished most of the time whereas Teemo still has to play carefully if he doesn't wanna get murdered by the jungler. Teemo has very clear windows of strength...you know when to punish him. There is no window really when you can punish Quinn, Graves, Lissandra, Vayne or Lulu top as a melee champ.

Count ZubatFeb 8, 20164 votes

Maybe help him out with kiting by giving a reset on W with takedowns? He would then become super speedy hamster in fights rewarded for kiting his enemies well.

Troll ArmadaFeb 8, 20163 votes

Someone posted the other day about how they got banned for playing teemo in ranked.

Seems like there are forces of darkness at work within the riot hiereachy designed to destroy teemo viability.

[zombie-brand-mindblown]

DeftonesFeb 8, 20163 votes

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Avios1Feb 8, 20161 votes

Actually, Teemo main here, you are able to throw shrooms onto people when they have alteration activated, if they are on it when it arms, itll explode before being deactivated.

Troll for TrumpFeb 8, 20161 votes

A jump on teemo could be quite... devastating. Dashing akin to Vayne's tumble could be interesting though. But Teemo ingame should be kinda similar to Kalista, constantly kiting the target.

Lorewise, he isn't much of a scout anymore. Hasn't been that way with his old kit either.

mogonkFeb 8, 20162 votes

#NerfSatan2016

FerezillaFeb 8, 20162 votes

No. He should be nerfed into the ground and should stay there to rot. Fuck teemo

L0ve Is BlueFeb 8, 20162 votes

make the shroom explode instantly if you throw them on someone plz

Count ZubatFeb 8, 20162 votes

Are you insane? That would be just too OP. Trying to gank Teemo on his territory is already nearly suicidal, it would be even worse if he could just throw the shrooms right into your face exploding.

darkmatchwaldoFeb 8, 20162 votes

I think i speak for everyone when i say DON'T YOU FUCKING DARE RITO

NazZomLordFeb 8, 20161 votes

{quoted}

I think i speak for everyone when i say DON'T YOU FUCKING DARE RITO

No, no you dont

InHaruhiWeTrustFeb 8, 20162 votes

he's definitely weak right now because of the shroom nerfs, but a Tristana / Poppy style rework is probably not that far off.... maybe... either way i think that they won't mess with him too much until then, but idk.

RavensCapsOsFeb 8, 20162 votes

Teemo main here. He is "The Swift Scout" but in my opinion he really lacks the most important part of being a "scout", which is escapability. In my opinion the problem is an identity crisis with his passive and shrooms.

His passive: The attack speed buff is unnecessary in my opinion and I would prefer movement speed and tenacity instead.

His shrooms: I would rather have reduced damage in favor of more utility. The increased range on shrooms was nice because I could toss into bushes safer, not so much because I could throw into team fights. Right now I don't feel there is a balance between the utility and ward aspect of his shrooms and the team fight usefulness. I would rather see the shrooms deal less damage to enemy champions, deal more damage to minions, apply a stronger slow, and apply a reduction to incoming damage.

This allows Teemo to kite better, run faster, escape easier and deal less damage which in my opinion is far more consistent with the "scout" title.

I can happily go into more detail if prompted. I have a radical idea for his shrooms that I feel would truly make him unique and special.

agbudarFeb 9, 20161 votes

please do enlighten us.

personally i do sorta what you did back in season 5 building lots of movement speed items and attack speed making shrooms purely utility and be a basic split push bot to varying degrees of success.

item 3009 item 3115 item 3085 item 3153 item 3742 this was my build most of the time with either banshee's or spirit visage if i felt the need for it. it worked due to teemo's high movement speed with his W and swift boots with alacrity.

if anything i would like his kit to go into a direction that would support this.

full ap ad or ap cdr doesnt feel right anymore due to his gutted shrooms

RavensCapsOsFeb 9, 20161 votes

My feeling and the way I have always felt he is best utilized is the "get in an get out philosophy." Split push hard using shrooms as ward and defense setup. Chunk a big part of the turret, and sprint far away when you see someone coming. Rinse and repeat. Force the enemy team to send at least 2 champions after you and create a team fight advantage for your allies. Pretty much impossible in this current patch due to shrooms having a short lifespan, high mana cost, and average CD. And of course because of the new vision changes in particular the red trinket.

My build starts similarly with item 1306 in most instances. item 3085 is of course still great for split pushing. I don't like item 3742 , as an auto attack based champion you will almost never gain the passive. I actually don't like that item on anyone except for Singed because I value the consistency of my movement speed and don't do well adjusting to the fluctuations. It is the same reason I never use item 3117 . Just a personal preference there.

I would like to see Teemo's shrooms be available from level 1 and grow in the following way:

Every time Teemo goes invisible he plants a shroom. The shroom either grows instantly, or over time. Every gain in level increase the damage, damage reduction, and slow. The number of shrooms is capped. The more shrooms that Teemo has planted, the less power each one has.

agbudarFeb 10, 20161 votes

so... he poops them out instead?

Supreme Senpai69Feb 8, 20161 votes

Honestly if anything, as someone who used to main Teemo as their first champion, his power should revolve around his shrooms. There's nothing more annoying than having a Teemo max E first and having a single Q drain your HP down to half. His passive makes him go invisible and his W makes him go faster. He's clearly a champion revolved around scouting and laying traps and catching people out by sitting in a bush as an ambush for that split pusher who overextended. Right now he just has to right click you and apply a DoT, but imagine if his DoT damage was nerfed and that power was put into his ult. What if he could put mushrooms in choke points to finish off enemies who escaped a fight? What if he could stall an enemy from joining a teamfight with a well-placed mushroom that slows? What if he could scout in the enemy jungle and on important objectives, secure vision, and escape?

Granted, he can do those things already. But it feels like an after-thought instead of his kit revolving around those things. Instead it's just "Press Q when they get near you, when they attack a minion, or when they're running away with low HP." I'd love to see Teemo as more of a jungler. His entire personality kinda screams he belongs in the jungle to me.

DenimistFeb 8, 20161 votes

I think some buffs would be nice for him xD

KhaoticolFeb 8, 20161 votes

I keep seeing this so much,Teemo is annoying NOT OP,Huge differences Anyways yeah Teemo's needs a small buff he doesn't provide anything in teamfights but his shrooms which take time to arm

AbyssphereFeb 8, 20161 votes

Well they've given him several buffs since they nerfed his shrooms, including reverting a variety of the nerfs they made to them. He might need more but it's not like Riot decided that they'd just nerf his mushrooms and then ignore him.

TusutakiFeb 8, 20161 votes

The moment they gutted his shrooms duration is the moment teemo was gutted regardless of the passive and ult range buff. Why take have that is unique to Teemo, laying shrooms across the map like a minefield, and take it away from him?

Buff his shroom duration then he'll be fine.

trash sionFeb 8, 20161 votes

Make his Q like Quinn's blind, then we'll talk. As long as he's such a hard counter to any AA champion, there's no way he'll be getting any considerable buffs.

Occams RaiserFeb 8, 20162 votes

But he is a shit bot laner. And many meta tops are not AA dependant. Usually only the ADC is and you don't see him to mid game where many games are already decided. They destroyed him with that 5 minute shroom shit.

VekknaFeb 8, 20161 votes

Even the top-tier bot laners are ability spammers right now.

agbudarFeb 9, 20161 votes

yknow what that would allow for more power in kit due to him having skill shots im all for it but as long as it also does AOE are you willing to live with a teemo that can nuke entire teams with a full AP build?

The LovelessFeb 8, 20161 votes

Rework him into a less annoying champ. He can shroom all day long but remove half of the damage so that he can use a buffed q and/or e (maybe a new w) to deal damage. Otherwise you're encouraging players to keep annoying others with Teemo's current cowardly play style.

His lore makes him out to be the deadliest soldier around, but he plays like a little trickster brat. Make him a real man's champion.

The LovelessFeb 8, 20161 votes

In fact here's a simple fix I can think of without coming up with new moves. Make his passive give more AS, his e give lower base damage but better ratios for full AP builds, and allow him to shroom more at lower mana consumption but also with lower damage.

Add a mechanic where shrooms mark enemies and enable him to deal more damage with his other basic skills and autos. If not that, let shrooms mark enemies so Teemo can hit them from further range. I don't like that second idea as much since it encourages kiting, which again encourages a cowardly play style.

It's much better than losing 1/3 - 1/2 health to shrooms.

RavensCapsOsFeb 8, 20161 votes

I agree on reducing his shroom damage. I do enjoy chunking 2/3 of an adc's health with one shroom when I am super fed but I would be in favor of less damage if it meant more utility.

VekknaFeb 8, 20161 votes

My stats with Teemo are pretty solid this season so far, but I've been running him mid.

If I could ask for a buff, I'd ask for a buff to base mana regen and mana growth. RIght now it's super hard to not run out of mana with shroom builds.

Occams RaiserFeb 8, 20161 votes

How often do you get ganked pre 6?

VekknaFeb 8, 20161 votes

It varies, ofc, but a whole lot more than when I play other champs. How often is it successful? A whole lot less than when I play other champs. The only jungler I genuinely fear is LeeSin or a really ballsy Amumu

In 60 games in S6, I'm at a 62% Teemo win rate. item 2033 item 3009 item 3115 item 3025 item 3151 item 3135 item 3146

MarshbouyFeb 8, 20161 votes

I strongly disagree with this for two reasons In one game the enemy 1/8 teemo placed a shroom and took me and my support down to half health If AP items get buffed I feel like he will become a god again

Occams RaiserFeb 8, 20162 votes

Did he win that game?

SkyBlade79Feb 8, 20161 votes

Teemo's not going to get a buff, at least not a buff that the community will be happy about. He's so much of a meme that everyone hates him and most people think that once he's in lane with them, they'll just have to throw their computer out the window.

His mushrooms are basically useless now, because there's a trinket that lasts for 10 seconds, follows you around, and has a longer range than the old red trinket.

Meep ManFeb 8, 20162 votes

Actually, the Teemo hate has been very very low lately. Most of it has just been jokingly calling him satan here and there.

AsydeFeb 8, 20161 votes

DOWN WITH SATAN!

Occams RaiserFeb 8, 20161 votes

I don't think Teemo can be balanced. If they did want him balanced they would just make his shrooms toss-able to 800 units off the bat. He is a champ that is OP in comps.

Meep ManFeb 8, 20161 votes

Ive always wanted his W movement speed to scale with AP...