Let Tahm Kench devour the buffs.

AgentBlack·9/7/2016, 7:40:23 PM·111 votes·4,398 views

Before the recent nerfs and adjustments, Tahm Kench was a solid jungler. Decent ganks, good synergy with jungle items, and workable clear that improved drastically with his ult passive. Now that his HP-based damage only ever affects Champions, he's very lackluster in the jungle. Letting him devour the buffs would greatly improve his clear, reintroducing his jungle playstyle without buffing any other part of his kit.

If Tahm Kench can eat Dragon Shyvana, 6-stack Cho'gath and ulted Nasus, he can eat the buffs.

57 Comments

TTK Dreadnought9/7/2016, 7:48:11 PM57 votes

or just have his stacks appear on large monsters and epic monsters and devour/tongue lash can only trigger on large monsters.

If syndra can throw buffs around and tahm can eat champions of the sizes you mentioned. he should be allowed to interact with them too. would be nice.

aLawfulFalafel9/8/2016, 12:28:07 AM11 votes

if tahm can eat the buffs then nunu should be able to eat champs

LaughingStapler9/7/2016, 10:04:40 PM5 votes

I agree. His clear sucks ever since the bonus % damage was changed from his ult. You can only get 1 stack vs monsters.

BattleMan699/7/2016, 8:46:34 PM4 votes

I can see 2 problems with that..

  1. The possibility of trolling your jungler as kench, as well as his insane leash speed if his jungler decided to start red (since the percent health damage would do a lot of damage to red and blue)

  2. Counter jungling as kench might be incredibly toxic if he used his tongue lash to grab the buff from over the wall and spit it out to steal it.

just my thoughts

The Letter H9/7/2016, 10:56:01 PM3 votes

I approve of this post. I don't jungle Kench much (Top + Support Kench Main) but I feel like his clear does lack a little, this would be a nice addition.

AceKiller19959/9/2016, 10:41:09 AM2 votes

I feel that he's been gutted with nerfs and unnecessary adjustments. I remember last year when he first came out and everyone hated him, but I loved playing him you can be a bully, passive, or even carry support due to the damage he had. But, now he's pretty much just a meat shield and with this seasons never ending nerfs on movement speed he can't really have those heroic saves when a gank is coming in, since he no longer get's movement speed when devouring allies and running away, which is used way more than running towards enemies.

His style now is less reliant on Devour, since you need all of his stacks to get the most bang out of his attacks it's pretty much a long string of tongue lashes and basic attacks then maybe finish the enemy off with it. The shield nerf from a 6 second decay shield to a 3 second solid shield still saves, but was unnecessary.

Jungling with Tahm Kench now is impossible he can still 1v1 on top lane just as long as it's not a tank or anti-tank like Shen, Malphite, Rammus, or Trundle. Supporting with him has gotten harder, since he doesn't really have much of an escape for his adc, due to the Devour movement speed nerf. But, his harass is still good just need to be a bit more accurate, due to that tongue lash nerf from a while back but that's whatever. He no longer get's that lvl 6 power spike anymore, which I have no clue why they would move the ult passive to be apart of the stack passive. If you pay attention to his stats his early game is typically good he just falls off if they game goes on too long.

I understand riot tried to "Unbench the Kench" but all they did was put him even further on the bench it's almost like you wanted to make him how old Yorick was, Unplayed and Forgotten.

Joseph Gladstone9/7/2016, 7:48:14 PM2 votes

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AgentBlack9/7/2016, 10:20:38 PM2 votes

I didn't consider the counter-jungling potential, but it's not necessarily a problem. Junglers can kite the buff away from the wall, or body block TK's Q. If that's not enough, adding the movement penalty to devouring buffs would make invading much riskier, especially since he blows his W cooldown attempting it.

Making TK's passive apply to monsters might create some balancing issues for early clear speed and objective control. That adds a lot more speed to his clear than simply the %health damage of his W.

Truly Prideful9/8/2016, 5:33:08 PM2 votes

I agree, I've always found it strange that Blitz can pull them and Syndra can pick them up but Kench can't devour them.

JESUSSAYSNO9/8/2016, 2:29:43 AM1 votes

Watch LS's guide on kench jg, dude's one of the most knowledgeable league players in the world and he's literally a tk jg main.

arghilost9/8/2016, 2:35:20 AM1 votes

nahh cinderhulk is way too good on him, once he gets rolling hes actually a great jungler with his ult just slow early. His early needs to be kept intentionally in line or he would become a super meta jungler fast with that ult and cc.

I dont think you realize how fast his clear would be with devouring buffs

TotalJerk9/8/2016, 3:49:14 AM1 votes

You've just created an even more fucked up Nunu.

The Deckowner9/8/2016, 4:03:24 AM1 votes

Rito stated they want him to be a top laner/support, so they won't give him power in the jungle.

Bagguette9/8/2016, 5:04:57 AM1 votes

I already don't like kench much because a lot of trolls pick him and giving him this buff would increase the troll's power. Kench is fine he don't need a buff.

Dealth9/8/2016, 5:33:21 AM1 votes

He already can

edit: nevermind im thinking of syndra

Autrah Fang9/8/2016, 7:22:37 AM1 votes

i remember top/mid Soraka Lulu until they got nerfed into submission back to the support role. regardless of whether or not they were cancer in those lanes, the bottom line is that Riot doesn't like it when supports can be viable in other lanes/roles.

Elikain9/8/2016, 12:43:49 PM1 votes

His Devour does a lot of damage. I've jungled with Tahm before in this state and devour really destroys a large portion of their HP, allowing him to 1-2 the mob with hits and Q.

I don't think he needs buffs in this direction as this would make him power farm pretty easily. He's not like Shyvana. She is allowed to be strong because her kit actually has no CC in it. Meaning that her damage is not guaranteed. Tham has a slow, supress, a large % HP damage dealing ability and a teleport for 2 that has been buffed quite a while ago and he arrives faster. I don't think anyone is definitely ready for those dank Tahm buffs and his sudden meta change, where you'd pick all champions that never want to push a lane in fear of Tahm ganking them from nowhere, possibly with an ally.

##What i am for is buffs where that Tahm's Regurgitate is dealing +% of target's damage, on top of flat damage the ability deals if you use a monster or a minion as a projectile. That would also allow you to clear jungle faster by using smaller minions to hit the big one.

The Yetii Rider9/8/2016, 2:11:43 PM1 votes

Riot very rarely makes changes to support supports jungling, primarily because the strength of their utility is balanced around an expectation of poor income.

The only example is the change that allows Karma to W monsters. Alistar, Soraka, Taric and Lulu have all had their jungling ability hit hard.

THE RlVER KlNG9/7/2016, 9:58:43 PM1 votes

Agreed, he didn't need it before but I do believe he does now.

Lord Karhu9/8/2016, 9:29:35 PM1 votes

Dude they already removed the Devourer but not going to add it back...

Bladerunner77779/8/2016, 2:21:26 AM1 votes

Yes! This will make him great at stea-

I mean, yeah, good for jungle :^)