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Came back to this game after a two month break, and wow, just wow...

AgentBlack·2/13/2018, 6:31:43 PM·96 votes·4,473 views

...It's still League of Legends. Still usually fun, mostly balanced, and a better and more consistent experience than other popular games in the genre.

Overwatch has enforced metas like Ana triple tank, and terrible episodes of imbalance like the Mercy and Junkrat reworks, and there aren't ten bans and patches every other week to mitigate them.

DoTA is absurdly complicated, crammed with intricate and often frustrating mechanics, a nightmare for new players.

World of Warcraft...would you grind for 15 hours (or more) for every Champion you unlock in Ranked? With no free ones in the meantime? I wouldn't.

I like Smite, but only because it's a poor man's League of Legends. Less characters to play, even less worth picking, messy kit design, bland graphics, and some convoluted mechanics that were probably only included to distinguish Smite from League ("Hey fellow designers, let's give each team Baron Nashor instead of a Nexus...sure Phil, why not.")

Calling these games on their flaws doesn't make League perfect, but it should remind us what's great about it. Every season, people act like the game is a mess and the end is nigh, but League has survived way worse balance challenges than anything we're facing now. Cut some slack for the game you spend so much time bashing, yet strangely have so much time to play. This too shall pass.

93 Comments

ModKnightsKemplar2/13/2018, 6:36:57 PM64 votes

You'll never stop the complain train, but the complain train doesn't stop League from being successful, either.

No developer is perfect, but Riot has shown a remarkable talent to learn from their mistakes and do what they know is good for the game despite the vocal minority's constant state of protest. I have no problem calling them out a bit when I think they screw up, but I think it's pretty crazy to continually claim that they're in a constant downward spiral. That's just silly.

IvernBramblefoot2/13/2018, 6:32:48 PM36 votes

the game is more of a mess now than it has been in previous seasons, and demonstrably so.

Mandalorian 1172/13/2018, 8:51:54 PM16 votes

Glad to see someone spreading positivity. League (to me) remains to be one of my favorite games out there right now, despite the problems it has.

Jo0o2/13/2018, 6:56:11 PM14 votes

I'm generally having more fun in League these days than I have in the past, not for any major reason. The game just feels good.

Sure, it sucks to lose, but what else is new?

Sonasaurous2/13/2018, 8:47:30 PM10 votes

League is always the MOBA I come crawling back to. Sure, I like the maps on Smite, but League is still my favorite. Even if playing it decreases both the quality of my life and the contents of my wallet.

[sg-janna]

MuffledGarbage2/14/2018, 2:57:20 AM6 votes

Let me guess...

you haven't played toplane yet

Baron Von Bangin2/13/2018, 11:17:06 PM5 votes

Ana triple tank hasn't been the meta thing since they nerfed her firing speed. Don't go spreading lies.

I wear Givenchy2/14/2018, 2:20:23 AM4 votes

World of warcarft is an mmo and is vastly better than League and has way more content. You're confusing f2p populations with p2p populations. IE, there are more poor people than those that can afford to play WoW.

Captainn Ginyu2/14/2018, 12:46:18 AM4 votes

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World of Warcraft...would you grind for 15 hours (or more) for every Champion you unlock in Ranked? With no free ones in the meantime? I wouldn't.

what? WoW's an mmo not a moba i dont know why your comparing it to league :| you actually have to EARN things in wow holy crap

Solitair2/14/2018, 1:48:50 AM4 votes

15 hours to grind a champion?? Why! That's absurd!

Oh wait.

Takes way longer than that with the BE system.

Blåbæret2/14/2018, 2:46:55 AM4 votes

The OP is literally wrong on every point. If he thinks League is balanced he doesn't know what balance is. League's in its worst state thus far in its life span. If Dota's too complicated for ya, that only speaks to your own intellectual ability, nothing else. It's still a more balanced game.

Also, comparing an MMO to a moba, lmao. Gta love fallacy.

303Devilfish2/13/2018, 11:34:13 PM3 votes

overwatch has never been balanced lmao

StackedTear2/14/2018, 6:05:08 AM3 votes

I can't get into dota but it got some things league should learn from: Those being reduced gold overall if you outnumber a single enemy, an amount of exp if you kill someone with a bounty higher than killing spree and make all champions free or greatly reduce the grind. Playing 4 weeks to get a single 6300 champion is ridiculous.

revliledpembroke2/13/2018, 10:26:11 PM2 votes

No, Smite's Baron Nashor is the Fire Giant.

And they have much better skins than League. Psycho Mantis AMC, Cthulu AMC, Ghostbuster Zhong Kui, HeBro, Sydney Shredder He Bro, Swagni, Chaac-olate, Chronos 64, Kevin Sorbo Hercules, all sorts of fun ones.

The Gameplay isn't better, but such COOL SKINS!

Bael the Riser2/13/2018, 8:44:51 PM2 votes

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stealthfox942/14/2018, 5:21:57 AM2 votes

Came back after over a year of basically not playing. Enjoying it a ton. I like Overwatch, but I'm terrible at it, and strangely I find it more linear than League. I tried Smite and HOTS, couldn't really get into either of them.

Demented Gag2/14/2018, 12:29:05 AM2 votes

I feel like World of Warcraft doesn't belong in this list.

Iffy Jarl2/14/2018, 2:13:20 AM2 votes

I actually really liked the titans in smite [sg-soraka]

saltran2/13/2018, 10:39:09 PM2 votes

I play Overwatch and sure Mercy was busted but Junkrait wasn't that much problematic, or at least not as how people cry about him. In other hand Genji and Tracer were/are still the best dps heroes and Junkrait was a good pick against them so Blizz nerfed him.

sobi9992/14/2018, 6:45:24 PM2 votes

I personally think that League has progressively gone worse since i joined and that was in mid s6. So i can only imagine how those who joined even before must feel about league. The thing is, we are not complaining about league being worse than other games but rather that it is going in a wrong direction and becoming less fun to play. We actually care about league, and hence why we hope that it gets better instead of just playing another game. I just think that some salty players really go overboard with their comments but nonetheless, i really do think that the balancing team has other than to balance, purpose in the game. Its decisions mostly do not make sense and some are just absurd. Still, I would like to give credit to riot for all the things that are balanced and encourage others to show some courtesy, especially if they are the ones that are quick to critique.

Barcid2/14/2018, 9:26:33 AM2 votes

The vast majority of the people complaining aren't wrong, either, though, and I don't believe anyone here actively hates the game. You're confusing a specific era for an absolute.

People hate the state the game is in, like a friend going through a drug issue. You don't suddenly hate the guy, but you're also none too happy that he's snorting coke or injecting heroine or any of the nine hundred other drugs. The state of the game is objectively - and no not subjectively, objectively - poor by comparison to League's past. Honestly, if this was how League was forever and always and we always knew it to be this, this level of "fuck this game" that you see wouldn't be quite so extreme.

I recall the Season 5 boards and yes, there were the "I'm quitting" posts that would pop up. But those were few and far between and the boards was really more just a "I don't like that I have to position" complaining board or a "This is the most balanced we've ever been holy shit please stay" board. They both showed up in equal measure, though.

This season's boards are filled to the brim. It's really hard to call it a "minority" anymore when the majority of the boards at this point is basically Riot's hatemail box. And while the belief is that this is all just the vocal group, all of us are the vocal group here - even the people saying positive things are the vocal group. And for most consideration, you have to assume that for every person sending a message, there are likely a number more people (generally you round to about 100 for forums, it's not like we're fielding millions on the boards) who feel the same way as the people posting but who aren't nearly as vocal or are far more passive when it comes to addressing issues, so instead of coming to complain they'll just leave.

These boards are basically the dedicated minority. People either come here to report a bug once in a blue moon or they're here for a long while because they enjoy the game a lot. Whether you want to accept it or not, these boards are actually a fairly accurate representation of the mood of the game right now - it's not looking good by any means.

Tokogawaruf2/14/2018, 11:04:35 AM2 votes

Posts like these are why i visit the Boards.

Same here. LoL has that special Feeling that makes you come back every week/month, and makes you say "I´m home"

DoktorKaiser2/14/2018, 2:08:41 PM2 votes

Nobody except trolls is saying that League is not still by far the best online experience out there. I also haven't been playing for few months after 7 years due to poor internet and frustration because the meta is more than bad. I came back, still frustrating, game is still in its worst state and I have been there for a long, long time. I only complain because I want League to be even better, not because I suddenly think that others are doing it better.

Mojihito6662/14/2018, 2:46:33 PM2 votes

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GAMIAS EUNE2/14/2018, 4:00:35 PM2 votes

"DoTA is absurdly complicated, crammed with intricate and often frustrating mechanics, a nightmare for new players." But it IS a much more well designed game than league right now.League is more fun yes, but thats it.League and dota used to have different selling points, and league is selling itself to me like a "dota for mobiles" atm. Plus dota is not as complicated as it once was, it actually had a great update on their talents system some months back. I honestly cant figure out what league does better than dota right now other than having a better invisibility system and marksmen.

Sohleks2/14/2018, 5:33:43 PM2 votes

The game's still all right. K? Ya? There ya go. But 1000%! This game is worse than it used to be. Since preseason 6 the game system changes have been a fiesta that slashed at the diversity and health of the game. And riot constantly enforces that the game stays in such a way that the bigger the sissy you are in your total playstyle the more consistent and easier your in game success is (ya ya with just the right amount of commitment. but overall sissy). And yeah season 5 was totally like that too. But at least it wasn't the same story as the last two seasons before it. I will take the seriously overpowered individual release champs there used to be any day over the game systems and class dynamics across the board being both dulled and homogenized as well as ineptly balanced.

There's a lot of people complaining. A lot more than usual. From pro to silver. Is it an echo chamber? Maybe a bit. But one thing that got me going is that even at low ranks they aren't complaining about the regular pubstomp stuff anymore. They have become aware of some of the issues that have actually been plaguing the game for years. And you know why? Because in season 8 Riot has only inflamed long time glaring problems. It's like there's no care or competency given! And after the diabolical the last worlds was (yeah, how about we NOT forget that so soon) they really should be doing better than this.

Here are some things that it should take ZERO playtest games for someone with a ton of high level knack for this game to figure out (like the game devs should have)

Stripping rune resistances would screw over melee champions in lane versus ranged champions. Particularly ones that have to build dmg and don't have instant dive + burst. Tanks are still GREAT because they go straight tank immediately and comparitively have buffed base damage. Fighters get 9 armor and APtanks get 9 armor. Wow. I wonder why most fighters get handled by tanks now. Especially since they weren't in a good spot before. Let's not give fighters a keystone unless they mind going top with no HP either.

That alone right there is just colossal. I don't even play proper fighters much either. I just feel terrible for them. Anyone that enjoys those champions most has the right to riot. They are forced to play jungle to maximize their success atm just because the jungle is a safe place.

On top of that who asked to be even squishier. You know what.. if getting the ball rolling in the game was a goal maybe this wasn't a terrible idea. Still, it has come at great expense worsening existing game issues and now you are even more expected to build the good survivability items to feel like even before. I myself would have just nerfed those kinds of defense items. Perhaps we can work with this.

And yeah. It was blatantly obvious to me before release that sorcery were the best runes with inspiration being up behind it. I'm less concerned with this as it's a brand new system they are iterating on. But boneplate isn't getting my hopes up. Resolve 2nd is just gonna become the new mainstay. These runes shouldn't be so necessary to survive in the game. The rune system is not shaping up to be choice based.

One of the large reasons why the game is like it is because riot always nerfs any type of snowball character the instant they are good. But scalers are allowed to constantly be competitive staples. " But they are making the game snowbally-er that's why they are." Well it doesn't work. Because scalers can use those mechanics too. And then the game is done. Stop hating on your risk taking champions riot.

Throw out those winrates and actually correct the game. The winrates will eventually resettle just like how they have settled to this. Balancing around winrates is reallyyyy bad.

The Spicy Crit2/14/2018, 6:21:37 PM2 votes

Fun? Balanced? What the fuck are you talking about ? I'm playing since season 3 and this game hasn't ever been in a bigger mess and in a shittier spot than past two seasons. I'm seriously starting to think that Riot is brainwashing us and making us say "Heil League of Legends, it's a balanced game, balance team is not silver, they know what they are doing". Miss me with that shit fam.

MaxDarkwill2/15/2018, 1:33:58 PM1 votes

I personally took a year long hiatus and only came back a month ago. I mostly played stuff like For honor The .hack remastered Heroes of the storm Starcraft 2 and so on and so forth

Came back to leave and already dunno if I should stay. Im glad because nowadays I at least play with my significant other. Issue is im always fearful of what she thinks of me when I have a rough game due to a champ like Yasuo especially since almost all his mains have the level 7 now. Honestly I played yasuo for a long time when he first came out. And I honestly think the main think that should be nerfed is his damn crit . People brag about yasuo being difficult but then you see their team comp its Alistar Vayne Chogath and Malphite honestly the fact that you can ult on vayne condemn just makes knock back another knock up that you need to be even faster to react but honestly . but yeah I have a couple champs level seven. Likely gonna work urgot to level seven cause I adore his rework. I cant help but to laugh like a maniac when i ult and get that execute.

I just wish the community could be worked on or some champs would get adjusted. I mean last night i had to get trough champ select 4 to 5 times because of 3 insufferable clowns that went top yasuo, volibear support and corki adc. All three began trash talking as they had to remake. I picked mordekaiser and had almost died with 10 health since yasuo just rushed at me abusing that damn passive shield while mine was slowly eating at my healthbar. Then ignite happen and I swear I almost lost it when the bastard flashed. Then the remake vote comes on and the game ends. All I told was "glad I didnt have to deal with the yasuo its unbearable" and they all began talking smack saying im garbage and I needed to learn my game. I gave the arguments about what yasuo had that was ridiculous meanwhile all they said "you can have a dragon" which mind you is only if I hit level six and beside he isnt amazing. Mord feels like the least competent juggernaut.

Anyway just tired of yasuo players in general. But the community is hell. Also that smurf run rampid in low levels its hard for me and my girlfriend to have a good time without having some scumbag acting all douchy after game saying stuff like "well that was easy and i just unlocked exhaust" its honestly fustrating that I got banned twice for less than what everyone did and they go away without any consequences..

Holy hell that vent. I needed to let that out.

DingDongDanger2/15/2018, 7:22:32 AM1 votes

I'm going to have to argue with you buddy, 1st WoW isn't a moba. I mean that's such a ridiculous thing to mention when comparing it to games of a similar genre that I'm still trying to decide whether it was a joke or not. It's an MMORPG and I thoroughly enjoy it. I like free world.

2nd. Smite to me is far more enjoyable than League. League tilts me off the face of the planet most of the time and I pretty much only play it with friends. The balancing in this game is far worse than Smite as well. In Smite I personally know I can counter anyone regardless of who they pick. In this game if there's a Nasus it's just GG because people feed his ass hardcore. In fact, I'm appalled that this company still hasn't nerfed champions like Nasus and Vlad where I still see them get banned regularly up in the diamond rankings when watching streamers. I enjoy the graphics of Smite, they're cartoony but 3D and I enjoy the 3rd person shooter aspect of it. This game still has many outdated characters like Malphite who just looks absolutely horrific for this day and age.

All in all, League is my least favorite xD