[Item changes] As far as tanky champs are concerned

ProfDrDeath··5 votes·687 views
10/29 PBE update

For an informed discussion, here are the changes to items intended for tanky champions:

  • General cost and gold adjustments. Items premiums went down across the board and gold flow was changed. Keep this in mind when you look at the items, please. This goes not only for tanky itemization, but ALL of it.

  • item 3001 : 80 gold cheaper

  • item 3105 : 100 gold cheaper Aura MR -5

  • item 3060 : 150 gold more expensive

  • item 3102 : 200 gold more expensive +10 MR, +50 HP

  • item 3751 : 100 gold more expensive

  • item 3010 : +25 HP

  • item 1031 : 50 gold more expensive (now has no premium over Cloth Armor)

  • item 3801 : 50 gold more expensive

  • item 3742 : 50 gold more expensive

  • item 3401 : -50 HP, +2 gold/10, no scaling on heal effect, shield now explodes for 40% 2s slow instead of damage

  • item 3110 : 200 gold more expensive

  • item 3022 : 460 gold cheaper, better recipe -50 HP, +5 AD

  • item 3024 : 100 gold more expensive

  • item 3026 : 200 gold more expensive +10 Armor, +10 MR

  • item 3155 : 150 gold cheaper -5 AD, -5 MR, shield scales based on level

  • item 3025 : 150 gold cheaper +5 Armor, +10% CdR, no more AP, slow zone scales with bonus Armor (suck it, Ezreal )

  • item 3067 : 50 gold cheaper, only builds into defensive items now

  • item 3190 : 250 gold cheaper Shield duration 2s instead of 5s

  • item 3156 : 50 gold more expensive Rework: Now 55 AD, 50 MR, 10 ArPen, Shield now 300 + bonus MR New UP: When shield triggers, get 25% AS, 10% Lifesteal + Spellvamp till out of combat

  • item 3111 : 100 gold cheaper -15% Tenacity (!)

  • item 1057 : 80 gold cheaper -5 MR

  • item 3047 : 100 gold more expensive +5 Armor

  • item 3056 : 50 gold more expensive

  • item 3044 : 75 gold cheaper -5 AD

  • item 3143 : 300 gold more expensive +50 HP

  • item 2053 : 100 gold more expensive Now builds from Chain Vest + Reju

  • item 1006 : 30 gold cheaper

  • item 3302 : 15 gold cheaper +2 gold/10

  • item 3027 : 300 gold more expensive +20 AP

  • item 3116 : 200 gold more expensive

  • item 3211 : 100 gold cheaper -5 MR

  • item 3065 : 100 gold more expensive +10 MR, +100 HP

  • item 3053 : 10 gold cheaper, better build path

  • item 3068 : 100 gold more expensive +50 HP

  • item 3097 : 15 gold cheaper +2 gold/10

  • item 3071 : 500 gold more expensive, better build path -100 HP, +15 AD

  • item 3075 : 50 gold more expensive

  • item 3748 : 140 gold more expensive, better build path +50 HP

  • item 3078 : No AP, -5 AD, +10% CdR, +10% Crit chance, -15% AS, +50 Mana, -3% MS

  • item 3082 : -5 Armor

  • item 3083 : 100 gold more expensive +50 HP

  • item 3091 : 250 gold more expensive +10 MR, -10% AS, -2 On-hit damage

  • item 3512 : 50 gold cheaper -25% HP regen

That's all changes pertaining to items typically associated with tanky champions.

Keeping in mind that the raw offensive power of offensive items was nerfed as well (generally less AD and AS on Marksman items), I don't think there is enough of a basis to claim that tanky characters were hit disproportionally. With these item changes, **everyone **takes a hit in raw power. Just looks at the base AD reduction all ADCs suffered.

19 Comments

RetroRage964 votes

Thanks for this.

ProfDrDeath3 votes

:)

Sometimes, I want to headbutt 90% of the posters in this forum, in their tendency to overreact to changes without looking at the bigger picture.

RetroRage961 votes

Alistar player? Love that guy.

Rebonack3 votes

I'm just sitting here trying to figure out why Riot would nerf Wit's End.

ProfDrDeath2 votes

Probably because AS in general became less available. I mean, look at the AD multiplier items - none of them gives more than 40% AS.

On the other hand, it is now a 40-65 MR item.

Rebonack2 votes

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Probably because AS in general became less available. I mean, look at the AD multiplier items - none of them gives more than 40% AS.

On the other hand, it is now a 40-65 MR item.

Rageblade goes up to 64% attack speed once it's fully stacked now.

Highest raw IAS in the game =D

thumbnail93 votes

Why did they make Whit's more expensive? The item was already 100% not buy because it was too expensive.

SaltyKracka3 votes

I'm mostly concerned about the way they're destroying Triforce and the blatant overkill on Merc Treads.

Another huge nerf to Frozen Heart isn't exactly welcome either.

Pyrodinium1 votes

Take the price increases with a grain of salt, as gold flow is being increased.

Sire Hippington2 votes

well, while carrys do get a bit less ad and as, they gain alot more cdr and crit, so their overall damageoutput won't be harmed that much.

Armoritems generally nerfed, adc generally buffed, mage items generally nerfed, mr items generally buffed...yea, adc clearly not favoured at all....

Rebonack2 votes

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well, while carrys do get a bit less ad and as, they gain alot more cdr and crit, so their overall damageoutput won't be harmed that much.

Armoritems generally nerfed, adc generally buffed, mage items generally nerfed, mr items generally buffed...yea, adc clearly not favoured at all....

Do keep in mind that Whisper is going over to 40% bonus armor pen. Which means your target needs about 700 bonus armor to break even with the old Whisper. If an ADC grabs Whisper, their damage is going to take a hit to the nuts against softer targets. Which means Mages and Assassins should have an easier time blowing them up.

Sire Hippington3 votes

LW also comes with some nice bonus damage vs targets with more Hp(or perma-healreduce), which means vs most mages that either get RoA or rylai and prettymuch every melee in the game. And they gain lifesteal on scimitar for no good reason at all, helping them to stand there ground vs mage more easily anyway.

Champion Skin2 votes

Ehh... well the base Last whisper (without upgrades) is pretty darn good..

1300 gold for 25 ad and 30% armour pen on bonus armour. The AD will be worth 825 gold, and so the armour pen costs 425 gold. This means the enemy will only need to have 21.25 bonus armour for Last whisper to become gold efficient. And this only gets better the more armour the enemy has. This is without even considering Last whisper's new upgrades.

ProfDrDeath1 votes

They do not plainly gain CdR, they gain the option to itemize for more CdR. Option, as in, giving something up elsewhere.

To get more CdR, ADCs either:

  • Give up the crit damage increase of IE
  • Give up the attack speed from Berserker's Greaves
  • Give up AD and more Lifesteal
  • Give up more Crit chance and AS
Sire Hippington2 votes

30% cdr with one item, that also gives the highest ad and 20% crit aswell as infinit mana... Compared to other classes, they don't give up alot for it now. BC is a potent LW substitute now aswell, giving 20% And one of the stronger lifesteal options for many adc also comes with 10%... trinity comes with 10% now... if somehow needed, Yomuuns or zephyr could be added...

compared to Tanks, who have 10% from SV, 20% from FH, which is horrible in terms of effective hp/gold, 20% from iceborn, which is even worse than FH in terms of tankiness...

Or mages, literally two options for the classe that is most cd dependend, both beeing low ap+manasustain. OK, lichbane now gives cdr which actually is a damn great change, and nashors exists, but both are rather niche items that don't suite classical mages all that well. no more up to 10cdr from masteries also...

AtheosisX2 votes

Remember this thread when they release the next patch and it's ADC and AD assassin city...

Sasogwa2 votes

Frozen Heart even more nerfed?

AHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH Roti pls

Champion Skin1 votes

Hmmm... seems like Riot don't want people to rely on item 3105 And want people to build their own MR items

Seems like MR in general is slightly increased

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