Can we make Iceborn Gauntlet Melee only?

ProfDrDeath·Jan 28, 2016·65 votes·3,942 views

Otherwise, Ezreal will get it nerfed (again) and noone is going to buy it any longer.

Or, at least, only nerf it for ranged champions if he causes IBG to be nerfed.

112 Comments

ZarkkastJan 28, 201626 votes

Why?

Blue Ezreal has been a thing ever since season 3. It's a fun build and it's nearly the only diversification regardings ADC build paths.

Chibi TemplarJan 29, 201611 votes

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Why?

Blue Ezreal has been a thing ever since season 3. It's a fun build and it's nearly the only diversification regarding ADC build paths.

You're right. I LOVE getting perma slowed.

The build has been a cancer since it's original inception.

WimbledofyJan 29, 20163 votes

you can't get perma slowed if you dodge it though. (don't ask how you can dodge autoattacks though, that's a secret)

ParoeJan 29, 20162 votes

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you can't get perma slowed if you dodge it though. (don't ask how you can dodge autoattacks though, that's a secret)

Harrowing dodge runes (they still work!) Shens W blinds reverse flashes (projectiles only go one way) Jax W.

LittleBlastJan 29, 20161 votes

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Harrowing dodge runes (they still work!)

Wat, i dont believe you.

ParoeJan 29, 20162 votes

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Wat, i dont believe you.

If you had them, theyre still in your inventory and they still work because dodge was never 'removed' - just made inaccessible.

RalanrJan 28, 201614 votes

So...fuck blu Ezreal ?

JQKAndreiJan 28, 20165 votes

I would be happy with that.

Dar RaksadaJan 28, 201617 votes

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So...fuck blu ?

Taric Can I join?

Sugar MommaJan 28, 201613 votes

Why not just make the slow radius smaller for ranged champions, like it was before?

XenomancersJan 28, 20161 votes

It already is.

XeroKimoJan 28, 201614 votes

That is wrong, the radius is the same for every champ as long as they have the same armor, but if tanks are building it, it will have bigger radius since they would tend to build more armor.

Sugar MommaJan 28, 20166 votes

This is correct. It used to have a smaller radius, but when Riot made the slow field size scale off armor, they got rid of that because they assumed melee champs building it would build armor.

Duke AnaxJan 29, 20162 votes

Which is mostly true, the only ranged champs I can think of that would build armor, are blue Ezreal and Urgot. Maybe Kayle.

And neither of them would build much of it.

XenomancersJan 29, 20161 votes

Right - so why the down votes...unless tank ezreal is in some way viable chill on the dang down votes. Ezreals IBG blast is going to be small as dyck.

CrossetteJan 28, 20168 votes

Or we can disable spellblade in general on Ezreal's Q.

I'm tired of Ezreal tripling his damage with item 3078 , and I PLAY the bastard.

AckelopeJan 29, 20161 votes

I think some balancing might have to be done for that to work. I've done Sheen-less builds on Ez, and while it works, even with Sheen effects lots of armor goes a really long way against his damage.

CrossetteJan 29, 20164 votes

Maybe a bit, but when an Ez with just item 3078 and thunderlords can take 1200 health in 3 Qs on a 200 armor Thresh I think something is amiss

Supreme Senpai69Jan 29, 20161 votes

So would item 3078 and item 3025 be super good on him then?

BlitzedlegendJan 29, 20164 votes

No, spell blade does not stack, both are sheen procs

Supreme Senpai69Jan 29, 20163 votes

Oh. -blushes and walks away-

BlitzedlegendJan 29, 20162 votes

That's fine, just trying to help

SirHeavyScrotumJan 29, 20164 votes

I mean Ezreal would have like a 30% win rate if you did that but okay... Surely you know the ins and outs of champion balancing xD

AnidanJan 29, 20163 votes

"Let's take away one of the main synergies that we built into his kit from this champion because he's synergizing well with what we built him to!"

Why would anyone even begin to think that is a good idea? That's basically his gimmick - across the screen Sheen-enhanced poke. It's not like it's pre-rework Nidalee nuclear warhead-tipped spears. He's had this for a long time, and they should know to balance around it. You wouldn't make an item that synergized too well with a gimmick for Koggy for example and then suddenly nerf Kog'maws gimmick just because your own ineptitude didn't realize that his gimmick was designed to work with items like that.

ParoeJan 29, 20163 votes

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"Let's take away one of the main synergies that we built into his kit from this champion because he's synergizing well with what we built him to!"

Why would anyone even begin to think that is a good idea? That's basically his gimmick - across the screen Sheen-enhanced poke. It's not like it's pre-rework Nidalee nuclear warhead-tipped spears. He's had this for a long time, and they should know to balance around it. You wouldn't make an item that synergized too well with a gimmick for Koggy for example and then suddenly nerf Kog'maws gimmick just because your own ineptitude didn't realize that his gimmick was designed to work with items like that.

Devourers. lol. when devourers was released kogmaw did a SHIT TON of procs with his W. after it came to be known on PBE, devourer was nerfed across the board so auto-attack effecting abilities didnt proc devourers. In kogmaws case, this means that he still only procs devourers with a "2.5"attack speed no matter how much higher he is than 2.5.

Compare this to zin xhao who, on the PBE, procs heals every 2 hits at 2.5 attack speed.

SirHeavyScrotumJan 29, 20161 votes

That's kind of my point. Not sure if the sarcasm was directed at who I was responding to or mistakenly directed at me, lol.

AnidanJan 31, 20161 votes

Was basically using that sarcastic semi-strawman to agree with you. My bad for the lack of clarity, that's on me.

SirHeavyScrotumJan 31, 20161 votes

Nbd, I should've gotten it :P Nice logic term btw

KaylaDaBamfJan 28, 20167 votes

Yeah, nothing's more frustrating than an Ezreal with an Iceborn. He never dies, and yet you never stop dying.

WizzleboomJan 29, 20166 votes

I don't think any items that slow on hit/attack should work on ranged. They have kits designed to keep them safe and this usually just pushes them over the top.

mogonkJan 28, 20163 votes

Just nerfing it for ranged would effectively be the same as making it melee only. Ez is the only ranged champ I've ever seen use it.

And there's no way the item itself is going to be nerfed, it's not very strong right now.

If Ez with IBG is too strong (and I don't know if that's the case) the solution would be to nerf Ezreal and leave IBG alone.

Sugar MommaJan 28, 20167 votes

I and a few other Karma players sometimes build it on her.

Jhin UItd JFKJan 28, 20161 votes

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Just nerfing it for ranged would effectively be the same as making it melee only. Ez is the only ranged champ I've ever seen use it.

And there's no way the item itself is going to be nerfed, it's not very strong right now.

If Ez with IBG is too strong (and I don't know if that's the case) the solution would be to nerf Ezreal and leave IBG alone.

Nerfing a champion because of an item is bad... they gutted Sejuani just because of Cinderhulk (An item) and then proceeded to nerf Cinderhulk...

Blue Ez isn't that bad imho, it's incredibly farm intensive and can't be picked up by a new player as easily, aka high skill cap.

SirHeavyScrotumJan 29, 20164 votes

Nerfing a champion because of an item isn't inherently bad. If they're the only problem child with that item but it's balanced on everyone else, it's perfectly reasonable to nerf just that champion for the lifespan of that item.

Supreme Senpai69Jan 29, 20163 votes

Nah we should nerf Ezreal, then nerf the item, then not buff Ezreal back.

That's how you're supposed to do it, right?

Best Valor NAJan 28, 20163 votes

inb4 ez players come and downvote this to oblivion.

ProfDrDeathJan 28, 20163 votes

Considering the way the votes went, more people hate playing against him (or with) than like playing him.

KING ATTILAJan 28, 20163 votes

Be real...is Ez even good facing off against top tier adcs without IBG?

JQKAndreiJan 28, 20165 votes

Ez is a top tier adc with IBG and manamune

Rain NTJan 28, 20162 votes

A nerf could be nice, but not melee only, Ez is extremely fun to play atm and not CRAZY OP

JQKAndreiJan 28, 20166 votes

well he's 3rd best adc right now.

SirHeavyScrotumJan 30, 20161 votes

Kalista is still in the game

The LovelessJan 29, 20163 votes

Not CRAZY OP, just frustrating and hard to catch.

SirHeavyScrotumJan 29, 20161 votes

So is Singed but you don't see anyone crying for a Singed nerf

The LovelessJan 30, 20162 votes

Singed kills himself most of the time.

Sneakyy XDJan 28, 20162 votes

How would Ezreal get an item that isn't built on him nerfed?

AckelopeJan 29, 20162 votes

It's build on him pretty frequently, lately especially, because blue build ez, which includes this item, is very popular lately

PePsiLemoNNJan 29, 20162 votes

Blue Ezreal was a thing for ages and nobody complained ;) . Don't tell me this is the new Ezreal circlejerk

ThatHaleStateJan 29, 20162 votes

The reason it shouldnt and wont be nefed is that fact that it takes skill to use it well. Every Q is a skill shot, which either you can dodge of he can miss.

morris1Jan 29, 20162 votes

I feel as if an ADC having 120 armor with this item ezreal-y the problem right now. It doesn't offer any offensive stats per se, but the slow makes hitting his abilites incredibly ez and it feels too annoying to play against.