Can we please have the old QSS back now?

Rain NT··4 votes·718 views

Like why change it? it was a perfectly good item. It was a great way to avoid ridiculous damage when your mid laner feed your behinds off to Fizz and Zed. Like why even change it? No one ever even complained about it

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ReshiKillim4 votes

Because it made it hard to balance Fizz and Zed.

Dominick Destine3 votes

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Because it made it hard to balance Fizz and Zed.

Removing one of the only defenses that was somewhat effective in reducing their broken damage, only made them completely broken hence them being some of the most oft. banned champions in the game now.

I.e. they are MUCH more imbalanced now.

colesy3 votes

there's something else which helps deal with their broken damage

its called juking

you should try it

Dominick Destine1 votes

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there's something else

Yeah it's called banning the faceroll easy broken characters.

colesy3 votes

ok bronzie

Dominick Destine2 votes

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ok bronzie

I'm higher ranked than you. Good try though.

colesy4 votes

you're platinum 3, no?

Schàdenfreude1 votes

Exactly. People who keep whining about QSS just basically hated Zed and Fizz. Little do they know that the life of a Zed against a QSS is extremely difficult and hard.

Rain NT1 votes

then they have to do something about Zed/Fizz current damage, or change how they can escape. Make a change where Zed cant R back to his initial position so he can die if he goes in. And change Fizz W to do less damage. Cause right now, its extremely difficult to deal with them if youre squishy even if your team is all around you. If you cant punish them when they go in 1v5 to get you then they shouldnt have that ability. I would say fine, if they kill me when im alone or goes in 1-2 fine, but if hes going in 1-4 and doesnt die, thats a problem.

Its either that or give us back QSS, cause Riot is already thinking of reworking Fizz and Zed after the QSS change, and I rather have the QSS then just completely gutting Zed and Fizz and changing their playstyle

Rain NT1 votes

I say it would make it easier, before only low elo would have problems against Fizz and Zed cause they wouldnt build right or forget to use QSS or avoid Zed and Fizz in side lanes, and constantly beign greedy and solo pushing for farm. Higher elo players would know how to play against Fizz and Zed if their mid fucked up. Cause by late game, the high elo players would know how to avoid Zed and Fizz's damage altogether by grouping, having peel, and QSS at the right moments. Now if the mid laner end up feeding themselves to Zed and Fizz low elo and high elo cant do anything about him either way. Edit: Let me correct myself, now high or low elo cant do MUCH against them when they are fed.

Trap or a Trick3 votes

as an adc main... Zed got much more OP since the change, once he jumps on you from 10 miles away with a shadow+flash+death Mark, literally all I can do is pray, no adc has a way to protect them selves from him, mf uses w+e? idk speed doesn't help you when you're dead. honestly, idgaf about zed players crying when the enemy adc has a qss, like you can one shot me either way. and also THERE IS NO AD+ARMOUR ITEM, if zed gets fed I'm useless, if LB gets fed, I get merc and maw, then bam, I'm safe from her.

Noam2Kill1 votes

The counter to zed is exhaust and team play. before the change, the late game for the zed team was a 4v5 battle.

Rain NT1 votes

Assassins were never meant to scale, if Zed didnt get the job done by 30-35 mins, the game should be over for them. That was the cost for playing Zed. I even knew that when I played Zed, get the job done, kill every single lane and make your team stronger than the other team and win. But now its what... Their fed? Oh well, ADC cant get into fights without dying even if they play well.

Its either Zed/Fizz players accept QSS countering them late game, or accept the rework, because its already confirm that Zed and Fizz are getting reworks in the near future so they have more counterplay against them and probably removing their debuff and how they get away from situations so they cant go in for free and kill the ADC/APC. So do you want a new playstyle or do you want QSS, if I were Zed/Fizz players I would rather deal with the QSS then having a rework.

CoolKnightST1 votes

They could just revert his ult buff, bam you have a ballanced champion

ActivatingEMP1 votes

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as an adc main... Zed got much more OP since the change, once he jumps on you from 10 miles away with a shadow+flash+death Mark, literally all I can do is pray, no adc has a way to protect them selves from him, mf uses w+e? idk speed doesn't help you when you're dead. honestly, idgaf about zed players crying when the enemy adc has a qss, like you can one shot me either way. and also THERE IS NO AD+ARMOUR ITEM, if zed gets fed I'm useless, if LB gets fed, I get merc and maw, then bam, I'm safe from her.

Steraks anyone? Also an item with just straight AD and armor would completely break tanks

Trap or a Trick1 votes

steraks dosent help whatsoever

colesy1 votes

because how are you meant to balance zed, fizz, trundle, fiora when the power of their ults is pretty much gated by qss? you have to make them potent enough that they're powerful when they hit but you need to then balance their kits around their ults just whiffing entirely.

tanks used to buy qss against trundle lanes to remove the debuff, that's how strong the item was.

Rain NT3 votes

Exactly, they would have to waste an item to get it. Atleast for Trundle he still gets the armor hp and mr, its just the tanks doesnt get their stats reduced anymore. For Fiora, just used it on anyone with QSS or unless the QSS active is down, even use it on a tank cause it does % max HP plus then amp with (bonus AD). And then Zed is an assassin that can kill anyone until they get QSS or too much armor and hp. And even then he can prob kill them without his ult depending on what champ hes facing against and same thing with Fizz. They are assassin they shouldnt be great by the late game, if they cant do their job early by the first 30-35 mins why should they be rewarded? They actually buffed Zed and Fizz now cause you cant do anything if your mid laner feed them. Atleast in high elo when your mid laner fed them you can deal with it when QSS can still remove the debuff, but now even in high elo. Zed and Fizz are fed? Well welp they will hunt you every time even with peel. And an ADC dying is worst than Zed dying, because by late its usually a 1 for 1 trade or Zed/Fizz survives and kills the ADC or APC anyway.

Clutch Thompson1 votes

As a Mordekaiser main, I'm happy to not have somebody pay 1300 to hard counter my ultimate. Zed and fizz mains would agree [slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

Rain NT1 votes

They wouldnt need to, Zed and fizz are confirmed to get a rework. So its either that or QSS, you "mains" you guys pick which one you want then. Because QSS no longer counter them, they are changing their kit in general so they have more counter play. So which one you value more, QSS counter or your beloved champion abilities.

Sukishoo1 votes

Zed and fizz are confirmed to get a rework

Source?

Rain NT1 votes

Its on one of RedMercy's vid, hes scared that his fav champ (Zed) might get a hard rework after reading through the forum noting a rioter saying Zed is getting changes.

Sukishoo1 votes

might

/end.

Rain NT1 votes

touche, but it is confirm he is getting a rework, Red is scared its going to be a hard change. But either way there will be a change to Zed so we can counter play him. So /end.

Sukishoo1 votes

There's no real confirmation until Riot beings to make the posts for which Assassins are getting updated.

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