So long as Hurricane is good and non-niche for marksmen, on hit can not be strong for melee.

Irelia Bot··21 votes·1,192 views

So long as an item that is not a real trade off to get on marksmen over other options like Shiv, rapidfire or Phantom Dancer. On hit items can not be in a good place for melee since many marksmen will be able to consistently use them to greater effect by having them apply to up to 3 targets unless said on hit item is melee only or gives different states for melee.

Yes that little effect of applying on hit effects means that a kindred, kogmaw or any other marksmen will be able to greatly use on hit items to more effective degree then melee.

Yes On hit melee champs are in a fairly bad place currently after the sated removal and the Nerf to rageblade but so long as the prospect of marksmen applying things like BotRK's % current health to up to 3 targets with each auto, BotRK can not be buffed even if melee really need it buffed.

Not saying delete Hurricane but this situation needs to be looked at given that ranged are managing to apply on hit so effectively compared to melee and don't even give up on crit chance in doing so like past seasons.

Yes I am saying that A choice should have to be made between building for mostly crit or building for on hit effects. Currently marksmen are able to freely build for both with no real down sides in doing so.

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MunchCrunchLunch5 votes

some truth in there. the only thing that made on hit strong on melee is the fact that devoure was better on melee due to having the phantom hit proc twice as fast but yeah just pure on hit seems its either gonna be op on ranged or useless on melee. look at it now. kindred doing ok with a shit item. while melee carries winrate dropped by almost 10%. you can't build melee glass cannon because they die before they even get to do damage in team fights. and now they even lose lanes to tanks and ranged harassers if they ever go to lane.

Blkninjar871 votes

Melee always has this constant struggle of being too damn strong or too damn weak.... Devourer was atrocious of an item that allowed after 15 mins of farming stupid champs that didn't even have a place in a match to shut down every and anyone. Nothing is more retarded than losing a game to a MasterYi who never ganked once or anything but farmed forever in the JG and Good luck trying to 1 v 1 anyone with it. Also many champs received NERFS based off that item and now its gone but they are still nerfed Shyvana and now trying to be forced to buy item 3124 to make up for it. But item 3124 Is tailored and way better for ranged champs than any melee =_=?

Also the onhit JG item in and of itelf is stupid to begin with cause its unnecessary, Only 2/3 Jgs actually need something similar Warwick Kindred Aatrox to it at all and all that can be solved by buying a item 3153 and item that ALREADY exists. The other 3 JG items can benefit all other champs just fine.

The Yetii Rider3 votes

On-hit for melee is just bad in general. Without range you need to have beef in order to survive long enough to deal that on-hit damage, but if it's not carry level damage then there's no point. So either you're a carry that is tanky or you are better off building AD or full tank.

That's the breaks of melee vs ranged. On-hit will never be balanced for melee, it should be refocused into a ranged only idea.

DorkunedAuras1 votes

Warwick

Ralanr3 votes

To be fair, Warwick still needs a rework.

DorkunedAuras1 votes

Though they've stated they plan to keep his role as "tanky, on-hit, sustain hunter"

Ralanr1 votes

I was not aware of that. Thank you.

The Yetii Rider1 votes

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Warwick

One of many reasons the champion is being completely reworked.

And my point is absolutely verified by his and Irelia's current state. Both champions are built tanky in order to take full effect of their on hit abilities. Warwick's passive is terrible so people don't use him much, while Irelia's Hiten Style is carry level damage that allows her to build full tank and still duel any squishy with ease.

RocketRelm1 votes

To be fair, you could just make an on-hit item that is Melee-Only. Then you don't need to balance it for both roles at once. "More AD" Is just another way of saying offensive value, which can work for somebody looking to do damage.

The Yetii Rider1 votes

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To be fair, you could just make an on-hit item that is Melee-Only. Then you don't need to balance it for both roles at once. "More AD" Is just another way of saying offensive value, which can work for somebody looking to do damage.

AD applies to your ability's scaling, which is why carries prefer it to on-hit items.

Making an on hit item melee only doesn't make it balanced. You still need the champion who builds it to survive closing a gap, being peeled off, and taking a few hits so that he can get value out of his on hit ability.

ZT Xperimentor1 votes

I'd rather hurricane be reverted; the 30% critical chance is entirely unnecessary. But also remember there's a handful of melee champions (udyr, yi, fizz, ekko, ext. & ezreal) that can and will abuse any 'strong' on-hit item.

Ralanr1 votes

I don't know when on-hit is good on melee. Broken or hilariously powerful? Sure, but just good?

Maximum Morde1 votes

Tired of Jax/Yi/Xin/Shyvanna anyway.

Quepha1 votes

Shyvana was pretty viable with Devourer.

Blkninjar871 votes

item 3742 item 3077 item 3022 item 3147 there are plenty of on hit items for melee that are somewhat OP and Marksmen can't use so i dunno what u smoking.

KETSU01 votes

i swear ever since the marksman update they've been fucking up everything for melees, from raiding top lane and making it utter hell to lane against them to destroying items single-handedly, yet they still have the audacity say their role is still weak. smh sometimes i think the game is better off without them.

SnowFall1 votes

should revert botrk nerfs for melee only

Karma Deified1 votes

non-niche

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Ashe Caitlyn Twitch KogMaw

Irelia Bot1 votes

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Ashe Caitlyn Twitch KogMaw

Is it really choice between hurricane and shiv on them? Same with Kindred.

People also ten to under value on hit.

Karma Deified1 votes

Hm? Whatchya saying?

I'm countering it being non-niche because it fits into a small pool of champions, making it niche.

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