Who wants a season of marksmen being out of the meta?

I'm tired of every adc being a better draintank than Aatrox.

what a god awful idea

like I can't even fathom how stupid it is

I would take a patch where every Marksman was disabled just to see how the game played out

This is just stupid

Bravo boards, you have out-done yourself today

Yes. Let us clash in melee combat.

One season isn't enough, especially after season 6.

You are obviously a newer player. Do you want the tank meta to flourish? Because that's what'll happen if marksmen go out of meta.

A no-marksmen meta will never happen on Summoner's Rift unless the entire class were to be nerfed 200 feet into the ground.

Id rather play against adcs than broken mages bot lol. Also who kills tanks and who takes towers?

No out of the meta necessarily, but not broken beyond all hell. Being able to self-kite, chase, 3k dps, CC, out maneuver, drain tank to victory etc etc etc.

This guy irelia bot is so anti-adc....

Im so anti-champs who build 1 damage item but 100-0 me..

To the people complaining about drain tanking adcs: That isn't the root of the problem. Lifesteal should be the only defensive stat for adcs. Remember, lifesteal used to be MUCH higher (bloodthirster giving something like 100 AD and 25% lifesteal, not unique) and back then a lot of people didn't want it to be reduced so much, but it was because it was so easy to get to full health off a couple minions. The problem is it's becoming way too easy to make use of lifesteal; back then, adcs were deleted instantaneously no matter what if they didn't get peel, so lifesteal only worked in a clutch manner. Now they have defensive options and much more survivable early games, allowing them to make much more use of lifesteal even though it isn't as abundant as it was before. Hit those strengths first.

You would not recognize this game anymore. The reason being that, for ADCs to be out of meta, you'd need major changes to so many core systems.

The reason we have an ADC bot lane is not that they need the support and protection from another player. It is just that ranged auto-attack-based champions are the one class of champions that suffers the least from sharing XP, as melees want XP for the invaluable tank stats (base HP and Armor triple to quadruple between level 1 and 18) and ability focused champions want XP for the improvements on their abilities (higher base damages, lower cooldowns, increased utility...). On a ranged AD champion, both your level-dependant offensive stats barely double between level 1 and 18.

get rid of adcs and you get a utility mage meta

Wont happen, adcs will always be really strong. Adc mains will sometimes act otherwise, but they will always be really strong.

Wouldn't want them to be out of meta anyway, we need something to keep bruisers and tanks in check, just not to the extent that adcs can right now (for bruisers specifically)

Didn't they try giving us a morde as an adc... and u see where that got us.. so how bout a no..

I think the main problem is the amount of lifesteal they have access to... The amount of times I've seen two fighters jump on a twitch and watch him 3-4 shot them at melee range and get all his hp back. I know you have to cc him, but sometimes you have to blow cc just to get to him (plus qss and mercurial exists).

I agree so much. Adc's have gotten out of hand... I got killed by 1 auto and 1 the other day. 100-0. The damage is just absurd these days.. I'd rather they nerfed lifesteal though. They should nerf it really hard so that Adc's can't do that drain tank shit late game.. I don't know what riot thinks but it doesn't feel good when you see their ADC heals back 90% of their health in 2 seconds.

Maybe we should test this as a game mode. No half ranged shit like Kayle or GP either.

Unless you really want to just keep playing Hexakill, Ascension, and Doom Bots over and over again...

This makes me think back to just a year ago, before the last preseason when marksman were fairly weak until mid-late game. Now ADCs can build armor pen and still be monsters late game. How times have changed.

but then who will entire teams build around with champs specifically designed to babysit?

Junglers had the largest impact in the game since forever. Why does the circlejerk never cry about jungler meta?

I'd like to see alternatives in bot, but viable adc's there too. I'd also like to see stronger camps & assassins push marksmen out of top and jungle...and mid.

We've actually had this at a few points in the game's history. Or at least a meta where the Marksman wasn't the most important part of the team every time all the time. Most recently (to my memory) it was when Cinderhulk was first released and the game slowed down because of the tankiness of the champions who used it. When and (to name a few) could hardcore beeftank through so much, the game had a very big positional element to it that feels much more lost when everyone dies as fast as they do now.

I honestly miss it. As well as jungle Sion. That shield nerf was crushing to him.

Why do you want an entire class to be out of the meta?

Make items Melee only for a season :^)