Weekly reminder that Riot removed ARAM bans even if they greatly enhanced the game experience

PaffWasTaken··157 votes·18,756 views

Going to keep this one short and sweet this week:

Bring back bans. From the feedback of people playing ARAM, it is pretty clear a lot of people want them back since a lot of threads, forum posts and comments on different media got a lot of support for keeping bans, especially here on the boards, where the opposition was composed of a lot of people also using... suspicious accounts let's say. The gamemode was incredibly enjoyable with it; even if no one has the same game experiences in ARAM, everybody were able to ban either champions with insane winrate, annoying champions, champions boring to play against, champions boring to play AS, or even champions that were too repetitively present in the past games.

Edit: shout out to the guy who's been posting furry NSFW art here for about 8 hours straight now. I'm not really encouraging his behavior or anything, I'm just amazedthat he is still going at it with just some mere comments who got deleted amongst the several other ones who are still up.

92 Comments

RebeccaUCuber25 votes

An Upvote for ya ^_^

This is a fun and random champ mode, not a tutorial about "how to poke to death".

Infernape15 votes

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An Upvote for ya ^_^

This is a fun and random champ mode, not a tutorial about "how to poke to death".

upvate*

RebeccaUCuber1 votes

ah sorry! English is not my primary language D: /s

Dokueki Kenshin4 votes

Don’t worry, friend; he’s messing with you. The way you spelled the word, “upvote”, is correct. He may have simply been making a joke about bad grammar/spelling on the boards.

C0l0urless6 votes

It was a joke referencing another bring back ARAM bans thread where the OP misspelled the title.

Tahminatrix 20 votes

Can you add a poll so we can vote on if we prefer to get aram bans backs or not..

I don't think the upvotes are loud enough.

Wimbledofy12 votes

Boards are mostly biased towards complaints though so an ingame poll would be the best way to see, which riot would also have to release the data for.

IainG1011 votes

Hence they'll never do it. Riot has developed a serious phobia of showing their data as a whole.....

Tahminatrix 1 votes

Exactly.

PaffWasTaken2 votes

I will implement one in next week's reminder, thanks

Pika Fox9 votes

They removed them because they greatly deterred from the experience and were negative all around.

Ayzev18 votes

That's what they told us, but we saw no actual sign of it.

Saevum2 votes

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That's what they told us, but we saw no actual sign of it.

In an economical context.

Anatera9 votes

Also a reminder that the only people who were against it were the ones with ARAM accounts. You know, the people who were ruining ARAM in the first place.

PaffWasTaken3 votes

Well, not entirely true since a lot of people actually showed actual reasons to NOT want ARAM bans back that could've justified why they were against it without being solely ARAM account users.

But even then, literally all of those reasons have blatent and utter flaws that make ARAM bans the best solution either way.

Amongst those mentionned reasons, there were:

1- The fact that an ARAM with every champions unlocked would be more balanced than anything we've got yet. Even if this one is particularly appealing and popular, this reason is utterly flawed because it got tested by Riot with very unsatisfying results (due to the presence of rerolls, rerolls pools, dodging, trading etc) and is a solution that Riot would probably never ever implement due to the loss of potential money from unlocked champions. In short, it is both inefficient game-satisfaction wise and very unlikely to happen. Bad reason.

2- The fact that Bans forced an additional 30 seconds to the gamemode... Do I really need to explain why this one is bad? Anyone who considers an additonal 30 seconds too long needs to calm the fuck down. Bad reason.

3- The fact that Bans supposedly made ARAM less... random? This one is a favorite of mine to see, since it doesn't make any sense at all. This one is based on the opinion that removing 10 champions from the roster makes it less random by reducing the total amount of champions. But since the banned champions are extremely often champions with a 10%+ pickrate in ARAM while several have a 5%- one and the roster is still at 93% integrity after an optimal 10 champions ban, we quickly come to the conclusion that bans, as far as champion pickrate spread is concerned, actually IMPROVES randomness. Also consider that ARAM never was and never will truly be COMPLETELY random. Bad reason.

4- The fact that you can't get X permabanned champion. This one too, doesn't make any sense, since some really fucked up weird people around here play ARAM, a gamemode based on getting a random pick... expecting to get a definite pick amongst 2, 3 or maximum 4 potential champions. This group potentially also regroups ARAM accounts, but I find it astonishing that some people complain they get an unanticipated pick in a gamemode where the goal is to get an unanticipated pick. In short, if you want a definite pick, don't play ARAM and never ever come again, the charm and fun of ARAM is to get a variety of champion, it's not about playing and throwing games until you want THE pick you want. Bad reason.

There are also some more, but those 4 are the principal ones. Just making this to go back on your statement:

the only people who were against it were the ones with ARAM accounts

As it turns out, the reality is far more horrendous, since there are also;

1- People with good intentions but who don't see the greater image,

2- Lazy people,

3- People who don't understand how ARAM or bans work

4- People who don't play ARAM for what it should be

... who also are against bans. So, my main goal isn't to remind people that ARAM accounts are bad and that they are literally everywhere, but to make people think on why they shouldn't be against bans since there's literally no reason to be against them other than unvalid and often biased reasons

Snarfuractu1 votes

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General Matty4 votes

@mods

His picture literally has a penis in it

RebeccaUCuber4 votes

he's sending sexual things in a lot of posts And after hours there are still there!!!

General Matty2 votes

We need more mods. I wonder how you sign up anyways.

RebeccaUCuber1 votes

i remember one of my replies got cancelled in 10 minutes and i didnt even insulted anyone. This is really Sad

Snarfuractu1 votes

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General Matty2 votes

I mean maybe these boards are semi-dead but the game itself still has a big playerbase.

Snarfuractu1 votes

[{quoted}](name=General Matty,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=y7EwzRZm,comment-id=00100001000000010000,timestamp=2019-05-13T16:19:43.344+0000)

I mean maybe these boards are semi-dead but the game itself still has a big playerbase.

True, it is very addicting and hard to quit

Leetri4 votes

Also a reminder that this has no actual evidence at all and is just something the boards made up.

The Highest Noon8 votes

Butcher's Bridge*

Sebastit7d8 votes

Either bring bans back or unlock every champion for everyone in ARAM and remove rerolls so it actually becomes random and no one can complain about the enemy cheating the gamemode into getting good champs via aram accounts.

Dokueki Kenshin7 votes

Ya know, considering ARAM is a non-competitive mode, they could eliminate this entire issue by simply making all champions available on the mode. It would also be a really good place to experience/experiment with champions they haven’t tried before.

PaffWasTaken5 votes

I've never had any problem with this solution, as this would potentially be the best outcome possible. My main concern in it though, is the fact that Riot once claimed that they tested this outcome and, due to the massive amount of pick manipulation we have now access to, its effects were not that different than a normal ARAM plagued with ARAM accounts. also, I highly doubt riot would ever implement this into a permanently availlable ARAM, competitive or not.

JustDonnyy6 votes

These posts got annoying very quickly.

IainG1016 votes

So did all the Artillery Mages in ARAM...

Cevrad10 votes

Damn right lmao

Minimac20005 votes

Meh, some people like being able to randomly get lucky and play champs like Veigar , Lux , Brand , and Heimerdinger and not have them permabanned every game when MissFortune ,Twitch , Vayne are all at least as strong. Leave bans in and you might as well change the name to "All Mid" because there's nothing random about 10 bans followed by 10 rerolls so each team has a perfect team comp when half the fun champs aren't allowed to be played

PaffWasTaken7 votes

10 champions removed from the ARAM pool leads us to a roster who's 93% intact as of the current number of champions. Since a LOT of champions in ARAM have a pickrate of over 10 times bigger than some others, I don't see why a ARAM mode with bans wouldn't be random, since removing a champion with over 12% pickrate would force people to actually play one who's less played.

Come on, it's simple: ARAM - high pickrate champs = less popular champs getting picked more often = more random. It doesn't make any sense to say that giving the ability to remove champions who plague almost 1/7 of the games from the roster results into a less random gamemode, it's the perfect opposite.

Minimac20004 votes

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10 champions removed from the ARAM pool leads us to a roster who's 93% intact as of the current number of champions. Since a LOT of champions in ARAM have a pickrate of over 10 times bigger than some others, I don't see why a ARAM mode with bans wouldn't be random, since removing a champion with over 12% pickrate would force people to actually play one who's less played.

Come on, it's simple: ARAM - high pickrate champs = less popular champs getting picked more often = more random. It doesn't make any sense to say that giving the ability to remove champions who plague almost 1/7 of the games from the roster results into a less random gamemode, it's the perfect opposite.

That is actually a fair point, however I would argue there's a difference between champs having a low pick rate, like volibear (who I play every time I roll into because I think he's hilarious) and champs that will always be played being banned in something like 70% of games ( they released the stats on bans, pretty sure brand and veigar were banned almost every single game) I'd rather them hard code and adjust the chance of getting certain champions down, or just actually balance them, like they have said they are going to try to (they committed a full team to now balancing aram every couple of patches) than having a bunch of champs just be impossible to get most games

3TWarrior12 votes

miss fortune, maybe, but vayne is literally at her worst in aram. There is no room to move, it's all close quarters combat and long-range spells

also, there's not really anything random about "pick your favorite champs and then we mash them together with a select group of others" either

you could quite literally make an account that only has mages and make it up to 40 / 40+ free champs minus mages and almost remove the randomness entirely

Morticianjohn11 votes

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Meh, some people like being able to randomly get lucky and play champs like Veigar , Lux , Brand , and Heimerdinger and not have them permabanned every game when MissFortune ,Twitch , Vayne are all at least as strong. Leave bans in and you might as well change the name to "All Mid" because there's nothing random about 10 bans followed by 10 rerolls so each team has a perfect team comp when half the fun champs aren't allowed to be played

With rerolls and aram accounts the mode has never been all random anyway.

Cevrad6 votes

There is no luck in owning 16 champions and sitting on 300k blue essence.

Anu3isII2 votes

When ARAM can give you all champions, not only those you own and the weekly picks, you can tell me about true randomness.

Until then, top ARAM champions will always have huge pick rates because of ARAM only accounts or simply people who prefer champions that happen to be also good in ARAM. Rerolls add to that (and they are healthy for the mode imo, just overkill when coupled with a selective pool of champions).

Bans simply removed access to some top picks and resulted in a more balanced pick rate distribution. If a character has a huge Ban Rate, then there is clearly something out of line with that character in ARAM (and should be nerfed accordingly).

I'm on the fence about this subject. If they include all champions in the pick pool of every player for ARAM games and they genuinely balance numbers periodically (as they mentioned), then bans are unnecessary...

However, this feature has been fairly requested over the years and simply ignored by Riot, so I don't believe they will ever add it, making bans the only way to at least deal with hugely inflated champion picks in ARAM.

Ahri Baka4 votes

They said there is no need for bans since a lot of champions are hard to get there , so they decided to Balance aram by buffing weak champions and nerfing OP ones there Not that agree but they didn't do anything wrong

Ari chąn3 votes

[{quoted}](name=Kitsune Kawaii,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=y7EwzRZm,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2019-05-12T17:49:13.679+0000)

They said there is no need for bans since a lot of champions are hard to get there , so they decided to Balance aram by buffing weak champions and nerfing OP ones there Not that agree but they didn't do anything wrong

The problem is that they also decided to buff these cancerous abomination Nidalee Kaisa for some reasons while nerfing champs like Yorick who is already meme tier before the ARAM changes, and they didn't address all problematic champs in that mode (PykeNeeko for example).

Tbh I'm fine with having no bans but just remove some unnecessary buffs/nerfs on champs that doesn't deserve them.

Karn Bishop4 votes

Bans are unfair, just force unlock all champions for everyone on aram so everyone has an equal chance of getting a crappy champion.

Jennifer4202 votes

go on reddit with this. and get downvoted.

PaffWasTaken17 votes

https://new.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/bdzbhq/about_aram_bans/ https://new.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/b91oxv/aram_bans_are_making_the_mode_so_much_more/

Those are the two most popular reddit threads concerning ARAM bans. Considering that both of those are overwhelmingly positive when talking about ARAM bans, if this doesn't show reddit is also in favor to reintroduce ARAM bans, I don't know what does.

Jennifer4206 votes

wow im actually speechless. for once reddit isnt going full brainless

Packun Flower1 votes

It's hard to accept that you are the minority in this situation, isn't it?

How cruel and evil life must be for you.

Jennifer4204 votes

nope not at all lol. might be shocking to you, but im totally fine with admitting when im wrong. all i said is that im speechless. usually the lolreddit community is the worst part of this game

LatetotheRace2 votes

Generally they're all fangirling about proplay. Very rarely is there any topic about balancing, and even rarer is it correct.

DuskDaUmbreon2 votes

There are a lot of people in favor of it here...But keep in mind here is 500 people tops.

Less people come here when nothing's wrong (to them) than when something is wrong. Riot would have to actually poll via the client, not the boards where in the past couple of months we have had dozens of cases of upvote-botting.

I personally feel that bans weren't the way and that simply balancing the gamemode (like Riot's doing now) is sufficient, but that's just me.

Eleshakai2 votes

I miss bans :(

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