IMO, Swain is fine (mathematically)

AFilthyCaitMain·Feb 12, 2018·2 votes·561 views

#To start out, Swain can possibly do 1880 + 465% AP late game in one rotation of his spells (excluding the q damage amp)

Im going to keep this short and sweet. His numbers are fine. His Q (65 / 85 / 105 / 125 / 145 (+ 40% AP) BONUS DAMAGE PER BOLT: 15 / 20 / 25 / 30 / 35%) can go down to a 1.4 second cooldown with 40% cdr, Demonflare can do 300+ 135% AP with 5 shards, and his Demonic ascension can do 390 + 85% AP with only 6 of the ticks. All of this and many others just make complete sense as to why his numbers are fine. If he's weak, it's not because of his numbers.

10 Comments

AkalixFeb 13, 20184 votes

prob and statistic 101 you need and also math applied 101 because you ignore a LOT of factors that make Swain weak in a game.

AFilthyCaitMainFeb 13, 20181 votes

i stated SPECIFICALLY

All of this and many others just make complete sense as to why his numbers are fine. If he's weak, it's not because of his numbers.

He does not need number buffs is what I am saying. If he needs buffs it needs to be to how his abilities work

TheProfezzorFeb 14, 20181 votes

His w needs to be more reliable. That’s the only change I would make. I mean I’ll take more but really that’s all I see.

bywords70Feb 12, 20182 votes

lets see, his ult does less damage and heals less than before and has a 5x+ longer cooldown, his q is only effective at shorter range, his w isn't going to do damage on enemy champions and his e is a skill shot that honestly doesn't do much.

yeah this champion is useless trash.

VICKLIUSFeb 12, 20182 votes

it is numbers an play stay of kit, he is not fine. swain didn't need rework, he just needed an update adjustment, such has having his pass gain him mana or hp based on which is lower based on dmg dealt, q (animation Beatrice pecking interact w/ e Beatrice animation beam and hits multiple targets in her aoe marked by e), on either q/e 1.2/1.4/1.6/1.8/2x dmg on q while marked by e instead of 1.2xdmg e aoe "WHILE marked dmg to swain is reduced by 20%"increase range so can lead w/ it w when snare enemy champ gain ms, 10sec cd all ranks R when hit send out another raven at attacker(increase mana cost/for current mana cost) to counter that he can only send one every other second

I came up w/ the pass to help deal w/ the mass healers an he was dot so kills didn't make sense an only mana, q I hate abilities that get adjusted dmg based on target type like(or less from repeated hit) X2 just cause minion,so added e interact for the X1.2-2 dmg an to make it hit multiple also for his pass w gain ms so he could either go in or leave, an such long cd for reason idk(honestly hate cd go down, just make constant, more fun, more consistent playing) plus they are rooted, him gaining ms because of that is going to affect much e an help vs assassins an to go w/ pass , r I already explained

Sexy Jack RabbitFeb 12, 20182 votes

I don't disagree with you. Swain does a lot of damage and his kit is viable. It's just that he's weak in other areas.

He pays a lot for his W scouting ability, yet the CD is 22 seconds at rank 1, and considering it's often ranked last right now, it drains a lot of power from the rest of his kit.

VICKLIUSFeb 12, 20182 votes

they made a new champ, plain and simple, and they did a crap job of it.

ZephyrDrakeFeb 13, 20182 votes

that would be like saying that every single time you use QWE on Sona she will always have 4 other teammates around at all times. It would be like you are always getting the maximum value of Soraka's Ult every single time you use it. That Brand's ult will always bounce the maximum amount of times it can on targets. That someone will always stay on Nunu's ult for it's full duration or that Fiddle's ult and bouncing skill (can't remember if it's W or E atm) will always deal the maximum amount of damage every single time. That Daisy is always autoing something and that Tibbers is always doing the same.

Numbers on papers are one thing but how often and reliably is he actually able to use those numbers?

ModCaliCoastReplayFeb 13, 20181 votes

Yes! His winrate is 47% and 43% in high ELO, but his numbers are fine. Apparently every number but his winrate is fine. So no probs, EZPZ right?

I mained the old one. The new one is not fine. His W is nearly unhittable on champions and his waveclear is 100% saddening.

Franco KapacFeb 18, 20181 votes

No burst, no sustain, no mobility, no tankiness, no way to glue to your target, useless W, short range Q, difficult to land combo (EWQ)....in all aspects weaker than old swain, less sinergy with Zhonya's Hourglass, he is not good frontline, dps damage very inconsistent (just walk away when he transforms)