Whenever i see him on the other team i get a slight urge to dodge.
EDIT: Im NOT saying hes overpowered whatsoever, hes just unfun to play against. This was also a semi vent, semi opinion post. Idk why people payed attention to this.
Lauchmelder24 votesTo be fair, most assassins are that way.
The only assassin I find quite FAIR to play against is, surprisingly, Zed, even though I hate his kit.
RFPSHBYQl719 votesI also find Talon fair to play against. He is really predictable most of the times to be honest. I know I'm the only one thinking this but if anything then they made his kit weaker than it was(unless he uses it for roaming, then it's better)
BananaSlayerAMO7 votesIt's when he roams. He can hop over a wall and delete a squishy before his invisibility even runs out.
RFPSHBYQl71 votesWhich is fair because that's the point of assassins and it's fair that a squishy carry cannot do much against it alone. Also the mid should follow up that Talon if possible when he roams. And the support should do a good enough job to screw that Talon combo up.(You may say that support has no time to react but he certainly does when the mid follows Talon up and also pings before that Talon is missing). The same way you can just bring out many other assassins and why they are stupid. Ekko? If you can't see him and he casts his W, it's actually a bit hard to doge it i he predicted well and you are low mobility. Sure you see him coming but if anything goes wrong just R to safety and get healed. Zed? Wait enemies to use skillshot and only use your shadows after that to dodge the cc. Afterwards with ult do some sick stuff. Seriously you can go on and on with assassins. Some are superior at roaming, some not, but each of them has some kind of weakness atleast. For Talon it is what it used to be. If he goes in he must get that carry down because a normal teamcomp makes it no way out once he engages. Then again, I'm just a silverscrub last season G5 so I'm not experienced at this game and I might be wrong.
BananaSlayerAMO15 votesMy point here is that the squishy can't do anything. Talon literally can't be seen. They won't know he's there until they see grey. Sure, if you can get the jump on a squishy, you probably deserve the kill, but Talon can hop over terrain! Invisible!
Shaydrox21 votesHe cannot actually perform the hop while invisible, the moment he starts his jump his ultimate stops and he becomes visible. You could ulti halfway the jump but then the blades would make it obvious what's happening. I'm not sure I agree he is the most fair, but he's definitely not half as bad as some of the others.
BananaSlayerAMO6 votesOh I see, so that's how it works. I guess his jumping isn't so op, but it still irks me every time a Talon gets caught 1v4 in our jg but just casually skips away...
RFPSHBYQl72 votesTalon literally can't be seen... Looks at Shaco
Sun Wu Ryuumoku2 votesTalon is easly spot if ur team :
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Talon is easly spot if ur team :
- look at the map
- use these :
- use ping
Ya gimme that FoW removal hack. Cause playing back while he's basing each time makes you lose the lane by default.
Sun Wu Ryuumoku1 votes??? i don't understand... can u make it clearer ?
Gosh Darn30 votesZed is only fair if you counter him. A good Zed is impossible to gank, never has trouble with cooldowns or resource management, and can freeze or shove wave pretty easily. When I play someone like Annie, sure I basically just win the game by default, but anyone else and he just Q farms and evades any gank with his shadows. Then he roams or takes a turret in half a second. He's one of those champions that is either extremely oppressive or useless depending on who you use, and I think that's one of the worst things that can happen to balancing.
Lauchmelder3 votesWell you can fairly easily dodge most of his burst if you can just evade his second shuriken.
SuperPewPew5 votesWhich is not precisely easy against good Zeds. It has a fast travel time :/
Flawless Fetus3 votesHe's only impossible to gank if he doesn't harass with w. If he doesn't use w to harass, he tickles in lane.
Father Cthulhu1 votesThe best way to have a good bit of both worlds is to never poke with your w if you're pushed past river.
Tworie14 votesHow to counter Fizz:
MR Glyphs AP Quints MR Marks Scaling HP Seals
Play Fiddlesticks
last hit with auto attacks
use Drain on Fizz everytime he all ins you
Fizz's troll pole won't break Drain tether so you can still hurt him while he's supposed to be immune
Get fed off of Fizz
Stay relevant all game as you lock him down for your team with fear and silence so he can't get away
when your5 votes[zombie-brand-clap]
Fızz13 votesFizz has a lot of counterplay, he's just really good at punishing mistakes.
nice table3 votesthis could be said about every cancer champion out there though.
mikemcparty3 votesIn your opinion, who are the cancer champions that you speak of?
nice table2 votesanything with too much mobility and too reliable damage, lee, yasuo, camille, fiora and zed come to mind.
mikemcparty5 votesSo anything that you try to duel one on one and can't lock them down is cancer?
nice table2 votespretty much yeah
mikemcparty5 votesWell, then you need to get better at the game and stop playing like an idiot. You are trying to duel assassins and duelists one on one. That is your problem.
nice table2 voteswhen a bronze player tells you to git gud lmao
xevi2 voteshe's kinda right though. duelists/assassins are supposed to 1v1 but tend to suck in teamfights unless they fulfill a few conditions since they are squishy, lack range, and lack high and reliable AoE damage.
Probably the worst offender of this is tryndamere and as such he's only useful when he splitpushes and forces a 1v1 or 1v2. In teamfights, he just e's in and hopes the enemy to peel for whatever high health target he's aiming.
ModAcademy Kayn9 votesRemembers the days of Tank Fizz and Level 2 100-0s
I'll take the current one thank you.
Xela Syab6 votesHe's unfunk to play against, rito give fizz an afro.
BananaSlayerAMO5 votesI agree, he has one of the highest gapclosers in game using only basic abilities, and he still has enough dmg to kill people after that, plus his fish is almost impossible to dodge at 600+ range (which is where the squishies would be)
BakedLotion6 votesI agree, he has one of the highest gapclosers in game using only basic abilities, and he still has enough dmg to kill people after that, plus his fish is almost impossible to dodge at 600+ range (which is where the squishies would be)
You know they fixed it right? The fish hitbox is insanely small now. Youre probably gonna hit a max range fish maybe once a game
BananaSlayerAMO2 votesThe fish eruption radius is 200 - 450 depending on distance. If you compare to other champs, 
W is 200, 
ult is 300, and 
ult is 400
So I'd say Fizz's hitbox is pretty large.
BakedLotion5 votesThe fish eruption radius is 200 - 450 depending on distance. If you compare to other champs,
So I'd say Fizz's hitbox is pretty large.
The eruption is that size. The pickup size is smaller. (The hitbox that attaches to you.)
LOSINGISMYPRIDE3 votesyou never played against a zyra ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
McFatal7 votesyou never played against a zyra ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
zyra doesnt build triforce ninja tabis and melt u from 100-0 if she lands her hard to miss ulti xDDDD
LOSINGISMYPRIDE6 votesdid you have fun playing against evelynn main ?( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
manbearswine1 votesAre you implying evelynn isn't cancer?
SoryInAdvance1 votesstop saying cancer to describe things...it makes no sense.
manbearswine2 votesstop saying cancer to describe things...it makes no sense.
It makes perfect sense, it described what I wanted to say in a manner others understand(and you know perfectly well what I'm talking about and what others talk about when they call something "cancer"), which is kind of the point when saying anything really.
SoryInAdvance1 votesCancer is a rapid division of abnormal cells. There is no interpretation of the word that can be used to convey hatred for something that is annoying...especially evelynn. I think the only way to use it like this would be some menace that is actually overtaking everything and causing serious problems..evelynn is an insignificant blip compared to half of the champions in this game.
KoggyStyle1 votesdo you wanna catch cancer? its used in the sense that ppl call malzahar aids. get internet literate please.
SoryInAdvance1 votesits called "space aids" because it goes to one and then jumps to another and so on just as aids does through transition. The way people use cancer is not relevant at all.
KoggyStyle1 votesyour thought process is why you were downvoted, please rethink your opinion.
SoryInAdvance1 votesplease 2 downvotes is completely irrelevant. Thats just some losers that sit in their basement all day i could care less about their opinions. Maybe you should come up with an actual argument as to why you disagree because so far what i've said has been 100% correct by definition.
KoggyStyle1 votesdude just take your literate self elsewhere if you cant comprehend a fact about the internet.
BIH Diamond1 votesInstead she goes support and still one shots ur whole team
Qiyeanu Reeves1 votesZyra dies to a strong breeze and has no gap closers, though. easy to counter
LOSINGISMYPRIDE3 voteszyra is still annoying in lane ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) . i think riot need to changer all her abillity scaling to true damage . It would be less annoying .
KoggyStyle1 votesand make her gain damage from using abilitys, you are a genius, riot hire this man.
Qiyeanu Reeves1 votesI really don't think Zyra is that strong, idk
