Gragas has the lowest win rate and the lowest pick rate across the board

Ariaflux·2/6/2015, 5:43:45 AM·16 votes·4,357 views
Champion.gg - Gragas Top Stats, Builds, Runes, Masteries and Counters

Is there any help planned for him, or is he going to get ignored because his design does not match Riot's direction and he's to be left in limbo, just like Urgot, where Riot doesn't want them to exist, but also can't outright delete / redesign the champion for fear of backlash.

71 Comments

Lajinn52/6/2015, 7:54:13 AM12 votes

Gragas I'LL HAVE YOU KNOW I WAS ONCE A hiccup CHAMPION sobs into drink

Talamare2/6/2015, 6:40:34 AM7 votes

I am glad that Riot brought him back to being a Melee Centric Mage instead of that garbage "I only know how to Q from 1500 range"

However they REALLY need to increase the damage reduction on his W

Drunk Rummate2/6/2015, 3:31:53 PM4 votes

i feel like if they just removed the clunky feeling from his W he would be a lot more fun to play and his winrates would improve substantially. that alone is pretty much the reason i stopped playing him.

Kitten of Evil2/6/2015, 7:32:43 AM4 votes

That's interesting, because Ahri has the highest win rate right now, at almost 58%, and is picked or banned 51% of the time. Riot has their favorites.

Kowe The Ewok2/6/2015, 3:35:07 PM4 votes

Another victim of reworkomania Skarner Olaf

Fredart2/6/2015, 4:40:59 PM3 votes

The hell you talking about? they already redesigned him... into the ground.

SleepyLionCub2/6/2015, 2:46:20 PM2 votes

Fnatic did good with him. And if you have ever played against a good one you'll see how annoying he is

AFK Push2/6/2015, 12:28:50 PM2 votes

Gragas has 4 aoe's, poke, a gap closer, percentage maximum health, soft cc, hard cc, and sustain. His kit is amazing for the top lane, I just don't think people realize this and can't get past his old identity as a mage. He doesn't need any work done, people just need to realize how strong he actually is in top then he will be picked a lot more.

The problem might also lie in the builds that are listed, they are building nothing but damage even though he is an ap bruiser now not a mage.

Chessburger2/7/2015, 12:31:20 AM2 votes

He desperately needs lower mana costs. And ap junglers in general need some form of mana sustain because it doesn't exist at the moment and it's really pissing me off. You can't even build mana/mana regen items on junglers due to their build paths and how starved for damage you already are. Like ROA is the best possible item for gragas but you can't build it because it's really inefficient in the jungle.

Also his W shouldn't cost mana and should not have 1s channel time during which you can't do anything. SO CLUNKY.

junglerboy162/6/2015, 1:25:15 PM2 votes

—and gets picked in pro play... Go figure.

Talamare2/6/2015, 11:26:19 PM2 votes

It's not the buff he needs

It won't make any damn difference

A small buff he needs is 100000x better than a large buff that he doesn't

ModKnightsKemplar2/6/2015, 8:33:42 PM1 votes

He'll get some minor buffs eventually, I'm sure. I really like his playstyle, actually. Played him in an ARAM and did very well, while having a lot of fun. But we lost. So maybe that plays right into your point. XP

Point being, I don't think his playstyle is so bad. His numbers might need a tweak, but I really like how his kit plays into this theme. It feels like playing a crazy drunkard. I consider his rework to be a great success, and it would make me VERY happy to see some numbers get bumped to help him out.

It sounds like you disagree pretty strongly. Do you not like the way he plays?

Hupsis2/6/2015, 2:22:11 PM1 votes

He's getting a buff to his Q slow. +10% at every rank.

http://www.surrenderat20.net/2015/02/22-pbe-update.html

Cosmic Warper2/6/2015, 4:49:21 PM1 votes

His auto animation for an empowered W needs to be smoother and faster. It's probably the clunkiest ability in the game right now. If your empowered Auto from W is cancelled right before you smash the ground it wont deal damage...

Buff W channel time to .75s from 1s and make the empowered Auto much smoother and faster and he'll be great again. His W is way too unreliable for his main ability to deal damage and tank.

Or allow him to channel while he uses his E which would make for some sick plays. He has too much counterplay in his initiation because his E is slow and you have plenty of time to back off when you see him channel his W.