Rylai's on Heimer?

T RexHasTinyArms·Jul 29, 2015·2 votes·950 views

So I've been playing less heimer and trying to learn other stuff, but in the few games I've been playing on him, I kinda like Rylai's with the changes to how his turrets proc it. However, I'm building it in the middle of my games for survivability after I rush CDR for the turret spam ability to rotate lanes faster (his old optimal build path). I watched a couple Heisendong and Phasekiller games and they both seem to be building Rylai's early on in Heimer's build path. Anyone know what the reasons for rushing Rylai's or building it second item might be? Used to be at least that you often wanted CDR first to keep turrets up and increase damage with faster laser charge, then Zhonya's for survivability and baits in turrets. What is different with the new Rylai's?

14 Comments

OperationDEEZ1Jul 29, 20151 votes

Let me give you a more broad answer Build item 3116 on every apc, it's just that damn good right now.

CrettJul 29, 20151 votes

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Let me give you a more broad answer Build on every apc, it's just that damn good right now.

Veigar ?????

Flying BuntcakeJul 29, 20151 votes

No, not Veig, sorry. He bursts people too fast.

Flying BuntcakeJul 29, 20151 votes

You should try it on Lissandra. Her q slow gets insane, and its nice having a slow on e.

ChaosThiefJul 29, 20151 votes

Slows don't stack any more.

Unless rylai has a better slow...

Flying BuntcakeJul 29, 20151 votes

The new Ryalai's is good on him because it forces people to stay in turret range longer because of slow.

T RexHasTinyArmsJul 29, 20151 votes

Any idea why that's useful? I can see it being useful to prevent being chased, but I wasn't sure if it increased the damage when you consider you're giving up CDR which increases the number of laser procs you get while they are in turrets, and thus increases damage a great deal. I'm guessing maybe the increased time out scales the increased dmg of CDR?

Flying BuntcakeJul 29, 20151 votes

Having his attacks slow helps his turrets deal more damage, and helps his aoe ult capabilities.

NoMonkuJul 29, 20151 votes

The new Rylia's is better because it has a good AoE slow now. It also gives more AP then the old one (80 -> 100) I think so it lets you hit harder while zoning better.

T RexHasTinyArmsJul 29, 20151 votes

The question wasn't so much why is new Rylai's worth building on him and old one wasn't (almost never built it, and it didn't proc from basic turret attacks like the new one does), but rather, why would people rush it before item 3165 / item 3089 item 3157 . The only thing I could think of is that you don't 100% need the mana regen, and the extra hp with the slow greatly increases the ability to survive and prevent ganks (slow the jg) from being successful in lane, so you can wait on the CDR as long as you are able to keep turrets alive (which the added 20 AP on the new one helps with). Not sure if this is the right logic or not though?

7ha7guy777Jul 29, 20151 votes

Only the slow and build path changed. The AP is the same

T RexHasTinyArmsJul 30, 20151 votes

Oh shit, I had to go read the patch notes again, but you're right, it was 100-->100 so no change. I guess it just sort of sits in your mind that way because it is a higher relative value in terms of maxing your AP. Now that Zhonyas and Ludens don't give 120, Rylais is an equivalent AP spike so there is less incentive to ignore it in favor of more immediate AP, because you won't have any more AP from the other options anyway after 5.13.

CIockw0rkJul 29, 20151 votes

it's not a good item on Heimer, the turret do not proc the slow. Heimer doesn't spam spells.

Rilay is a very good item, probably not bad on Heimer. You have lots of better choices.

T RexHasTinyArmsJul 29, 20151 votes

Except that with the rework his turrets do proc the slow, unless they patched it since I played him last. I remember thinking that was stupid when they did it bc the item gives him essentially half of what his old ult active did for them (although probably a lower slow, the "get stuck in turrets" thing was kinda the most obvious part of his ult on the old kit). I think the normal autos only proc the 15%, but they definitely proc it.