Give Azir his 3rd Soldier Back

taleofsonata·Mar 14, 2016·10 votes·1,509 views

If I were to ask for only one buff on Azir it would be his 3rd Soldier.

21 Comments

LauchmelderMar 14, 20168 votes

Wait, I get a third soldier at some times, is this a bug?

MistikalMar 14, 20163 votes

Azir is fine. He's got a weak lane phase/early game and he ramps up and scales into an AoE sustain damage machine late who can shred the enemy team if not payed attention to. There is nothing wrong with where he is at, he just has counter play and that's not a bad thing.

FioraWillCarryMar 14, 20162 votes

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he just has counter play and that's not a bad thing.

Meanwhile, the only counterplay to bullshit champions like Fizz is to wait till he kills two of your teammates and let his guard down.

Voluug13Mar 14, 20161 votes

Just rush the Pink Zhonias and evade Zed's Ult/Fizz Q/LB's Q.

EDIT: Zilean is OP because he doesnt let me kill him!

DatalessMar 14, 20163 votes

Azir "lost" his 3rd soldier when he stopped benefiting so heavily from CDR, forcing him to finally build attack speed. Unless you run scaling CDR you'll only every get 30% CCDR if you have a blue buff. If you don't run scaling CDR you're forced into a item 3165 , which is very inefficient on him gold wise as Azir's core items are now item 3115 + item 3116 , by the time you finish 2 items you probably need a defensive option or item 3135 rather than a luxury CDR purchase.

All that being said Azir is NOT weak, even though his weaknesses are easy to exploit. He thrives in teams with big frontlines and being able to properly set up "battle lines". If Azir can sit in the back and right click even 2 soldiers can 3 shot an ADC and he still rips through fighters and tanks with relative ease. He's also pretty heavily countered by poke mages with longer range than him, so in a meta where Lux is pretty much the only viable mage option most of the time Azir is going to have difficulties.

blfUvZ8YbuMar 14, 20162 votes

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Azir "lost" his 3rd soldier when he stopped benefiting so heavily from CDR, forcing him to finally build attack speed. Unless you run scaling CDR you'll only every get 30% CCDR if you have a blue buff. If you don't run scaling CDR you're forced into a , which is very inefficient on him gold wise as Azir's core items are now + , by the time you finish 2 items you probably need a defensive option or rather than a luxury CDR purchase.

All that being said Azir is NOT weak, even though his weaknesses are easy to exploit. He thrives in teams with big frontlines and being able to properly set up "battle lines". If Azir can sit in the back and right click even 2 soldiers can 3 shot an ADC and he still rips through fighters and tanks with relative ease. He's also pretty heavily countered by poke mages with longer range than him, so in a meta where is pretty much the only viable mage option most of the time Azir is going to have difficulties.

Azir is weak.Because he took nerfs.Lux is strong because she took unnecessary buffs.

Very simple answer.

DatalessMar 14, 20162 votes

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Azir is weak.Because he took nerfs.Lux is strong because she took unnecessary buffs.

Very simple answer.

The point I'm trying to make, which you very clearly missed, is that Azir is NOT weak. The meta doesn't suit him currently, but that doesn't make him weak. He needs an entire team comp built around him, similar to a "protect the X" comp, for him to succeed. Just because you can't throw him into any random team comp anymore and expect him to win doesn't make him weak.

I will agree that Lux is strong, I will agree that the Azir CDR synergy nerfs fucking sucked and removed a lot of his power, but I do not agree that Azir is weak. Put him in the hands of an experienced player with a team built around him and he will win you the game.

EDIT: I'm not sure what point you were trying to make on your second reply.

blfUvZ8YbuMar 14, 20161 votes

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The point I'm trying to make, which you very clearly missed, is that Azir is NOT weak. The meta doesn't suit him currently, but that doesn't make him weak. He needs an entire team comp built around him, similar to a "protect the X" comp, for him to succeed. Just because you can't throw him into any random team comp anymore and expect him to win doesn't make him weak.

I will agree that Lux is strong, I will agree that the Azir CDR synergy nerfs fucking sucked and removed a lot of his power, but I do not agree that Azir is weak. Put him in the hands of an experienced player with a team built around him and he will win you the game.

Azir is weak.Because he didn't pick and now tank meta.

Normally Azir is first champion for tank meta.But he is weak so he didn't pick.

You may have looked buggy statistics.

DatalessMar 14, 20162 votes

[{quoted}](name=Akatsuki Deidara,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=y4JLoEYc,comment-id=0005000000000000,timestamp=2016-03-14T17:58:09.096+0000)

Azir is weak.Because he didn't pick and now tank meta.

Normally Azir is first champion for tank meta.But he is weak so he didn't pick.

We will have to agree to disagree.

blfUvZ8YbuMar 14, 20161 votes

EDIT: I'm not sure what point you were trying to make on your second reply.

Why is Azir weak?

I answered this.

Also Azir's kit is weak and he hasn't cc.So he is weak now.You look Zilean, Lux, Ahri.Their kit are wonderful.Because they are utility mages.(Zilean, Lux, Lulu) So people want some buffs for Azir's kit.

DatalessMar 14, 20162 votes

[{quoted}](name=Akatsuki Deidara,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=y4JLoEYc,comment-id=0005000000000001,timestamp=2016-03-14T18:03:47.010+0000)

Why is Azir weak?

I answered this.

It's difficult to understand you, I can only assume english isn't your first language. This is not an insult, merely a comment on your writing. Your sentence structure is incredibly broken which makes it difficult to communicate with you, as I said before I am satisfied with agreeing to disagree.

The nature of relative power in competitive play means only S tier champions are going to be picked consistently. Azir is not currently S tier because he is being crowded out by other more dominant/overtuned picks. However, this does not make him a weak champion.

blfUvZ8YbuMar 14, 20161 votes

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It's difficult to understand you, I can only assume english isn't your first language. This is not an insult, merely a comment on your writing. Your sentence structure is incredibly broken which makes it difficult to communicate with you, as I said before I am satisfied with agreeing to disagree.

The nature of relative power in competitive play means only S tier champions are going to be picked consistently. Azir is not currently S tier because he is being crowded out by other more dominant/overtuned picks. However, this does not make him a weak champion.

I answered.

Azir's damage is fine but his kit isn't good.After knock up nerf.

blfUvZ8YbuMar 14, 20161 votes

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Azir "lost" his 3rd soldier when he stopped benefiting so heavily from CDR, forcing him to finally build attack speed. Unless you run scaling CDR you'll only every get 30% CCDR if you have a blue buff. If you don't run scaling CDR you're forced into a , which is very inefficient on him gold wise as Azir's core items are now + , by the time you finish 2 items you probably need a defensive option or rather than a luxury CDR purchase.

All that being said Azir is NOT weak, even though his weaknesses are easy to exploit. He thrives in teams with big frontlines and being able to properly set up "battle lines". If Azir can sit in the back and right click even 2 soldiers can 3 shot an ADC and he still rips through fighters and tanks with relative ease. He's also pretty heavily countered by poke mages with longer range than him, so in a meta where is pretty much the only viable mage option most of the time Azir is going to have difficulties.

Also Riot determines meta.Not you or players.If they want, they can give a buff to champion and then that champion would meta pick.

blfUvZ8YbuMar 14, 20162 votes

Yes.Please.

Azir is weak.Teamfight champion but he didn't pick for pro scene.

Riot destroyed him.Heap nerfs.

MadraMar 14, 20162 votes

When he had three soldiers he wasn't balanced at all.

BisaknospMar 14, 20162 votes

i want his knockup back btw when did they even remove the 3rd soldier?

FioraWillCarryMar 14, 20162 votes

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btw when did they even remove the 3rd soldier?

Unless this is some kind of PBE nerf, they didn't. You need at least 40% CDR and W maxed to field 3 soldiers.

DatalessMar 14, 20162 votes

Agree to disagree.

blfUvZ8YbuMar 14, 20161 votes

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Agree to disagree.

Yes.

9L9L9L9L9L9L9LMar 14, 20161 votes

Wait? He use to have 3 soldiers? That's fucking awesome.

JofeyyMar 14, 20161 votes

I run 10% CDR per level runes, 5% with mastery, 20% item 3115 , 10% item 3092 to get 45% CDR

Then item 3003 for mana, item 3020 or item 3009 with alacrity, and item 3116 + item 3089 or item 3135 or item 3151 depending on necessity.

I don't get item 3157 often anymore unless they have a zed since this item was ruined by riot. It costs so damn much in a meta where it is needed that I'd rather get item 3040 for its seemingly endless mana fountain, barrier like active and how easy tear is to stack with azir.