100 Hp Pykes gets ignited + aery + scorch + brand dot passive.

taleofsonata·Jul 23, 2019·128 votes·21,086 views

Pressed W and he was Fine

How is this any fair? Is this Fair gameplay?

160 Comments

The Bad TouchJul 23, 201971 votes

A hell of a lot more fair than watching a Brand hit R and do 7k damage in a team fight.

While on a support budget....

Romans VI XXIIIJul 24, 201910 votes

Lets be real, his ult doesn't do 7k damage in 1 fight.
Theres this thing called counter play to ALL of Brands damage. Once he cast it it's up to you and your team whether it gets its bounces off.

Z3SIeeperJul 24, 201922 votes

“Quickly, everyone! Run 750 goddam units away from each other even though we’re in the middle of a fight and it’ll completely screw our positioning!”

EonslegacyJul 24, 20192 votes

Its toxic counter play if you let the first bounce occur yes, but champs like camille can just R into the enemy team and the first bounce wont even occur. His R on someone like fizz for instance as fizz q es into your team just gets nullified completely, windwall or braums W shatters it, a lot of champs can actually choose to eat the ult for their team (adaptive helm, zhonyas, ga so on for instance) he has counter play which is why he isnt pro play material. He is NOT good enough to be vs players that know how he works. Brands main weakness, is the fact that his adc is weak without an enchanter. Thats a massive drawback to brand. If the enemy team realizes brands the carry, they can drop a camille/xin/olaf/fizz on him invalidiating his burst before a teamfight, then win the teamfight with the adc thats terrified to even approach the fight. rendering the teamfight a 3v5. Brand works best like a fiddlesticks with a jumpscare ult qew combo. Thats why he really isnt a mid laner, his kit doesnt work well when you know where he is at.

0 HogapuJul 24, 20193 votes

actually brand's ult was changed to be able to not be cancelled by Camille's ult and Fizz's e.

Z3SIeeperJul 24, 20192 votes

Yup, it doesn't even consume a bounce and if she was the first target then Brand gets a full refund for the mana cost and cd.

FantasySniperJul 24, 20196 votes

Considering it's his ult, and it requires multiple clustered targets on top of landing a full combo, and most of his damage potential depends on an enemy's max hp, with all of said damage potential spread between said targets, yeah, that's pretty fair.

EonslegacyJul 24, 20192 votes

Brands R cant proc his passive on more than 2 targets by itself. it would do around 3k on a support budget if he was lvl 18 and hit the tank and the second tank that didnt buy mr but stacked health and armor. Brands passive is really strong yes. His W is actually his strongest spell for damage, followed by the passive, the R is just the enabler of his passive, and its an anti tank cant really kill by itself kinda passive. The real problem isnt brand, its the liandrys torment changes that lets the 5 second dot proc 15% of someones health from 1 spell. That requires gold, and thats a late game build for a support budget.

The Bad TouchJul 26, 20191 votes

Um no.

Just the passive alone would be doing 53% max health on 2 targets before MR. This isn't counting item 3151 , keystone, scorch, luden's proc, or the base damage of the R itself.

Also I wasn't talking about JUST the R doing 7k by itself, but the resulting passive procs in combination with the rest of his kit. The R can add 5-7k damage into a fight.

Hell even with just 3k (this is a very low number for a full build brand) it's pretty damn hard to think of another champ that can do 3k+ damage with a point and click. Even Syndra vs an ADC doesn't see those numbers.

EonslegacyJul 28, 20192 votes

First if you managed to get 7k damage vis your r it's because you used your e after and spread it to all 5 then they stood in their own explosions. A lot of teamfights mages do 1/2/3k aoes hitting multiple targets from kennen and fiddle to fizz and lissandra Orianna and so on. Yes brand CAN do massive damage, but so can fizz if you full range R an ADC and they flash into the center of your team. Because that's about how reliable brands R alone is.

The Bad TouchJul 30, 20191 votes

Seriously....

Name a single mage with as much or more damage potential loaded into a single ability. And of course I'm assuming he's using the rest rest of his kit. Why would I be assuming anything else? The only other ability in LoL with close to brand's R potential is MF R, and it's still less.

Brands Q->E->W->R combo has enough damage loaded into it that it's ridiculous. Much of which is base damage. A good Ori R and a support Brand can ace your team. That's not something you see Nami/Raka/Sona/Taric/Alister/Leona/Braum ect ect doing.

Damage supports are out of control. Seems like most games these days the support is outdamging the ADC. Kinda says something is off.

EonslegacyAug 5, 20191 votes

neeko q on 5 people. keenen ult. fid ult. anni ult on 5 people and the bear that attacks people for 45 seconds. Karthus ult as long as the enemies dont immunity frame it. Fizz 5 man R. I mean pretty much all mages tbh. Xeraths ult is a good one if you hit 5 targets 5 times you get 7k base damage and 10.75x ap I mean there are a lot of teamfight mages Rs. Oriannas 5 man R is more likely to do more damage than brands. Veigars W does more damage most of the time. Do you see the problem? AOE spells that hit multiple targets have HIGH THEORETICAL DAMAGES. Thats a shocker. I mean Kennens ult has a damage of around 9k base damage and 15x ap ratio if we factor in shaco ult and wukong clones being damaged racking up bonus damage stacks of kennens R, im assuming the damage from ONLY the 5 real players but the clones buff his Rs stacking allowing ticks to hit harder. THen his W and E are also aoe, and he can easily r then w for like 4k damage, then wait 1 tick for everyone to be stunned so he can E through them all. Kats R hits lika truck, and her passive daggers too. Brands R is an aoe thats not aoe, and suffers much like fids bird bomb. Sure if it hits the same guy multiple times and they all stand together for the full duration it can be really powerful. But if velkoz Rs your entire team after hitting his E on them all and a w proc, he can also get ridiculous values.\

Infact Fizz r base damage on full range R is 500, on 5 people thats 2500 damage plus 1.2x ap to all 5 equals 6x ap at 1k ap thats 8.5k damage to all enemies hit. Oh and his E would also do like 3 to 4k damage from that 5 man stun.

The Bad TouchAug 7, 20191 votes

Literally zero of your examples are even in the same ballpark.

You seem to be ignoring brands passive.

3TWarriorJul 24, 20192 votes

supports can manage near or even exceed the carry's income

it's not like the old days of having 800 compared to 2000 gold

Baby GhoulJul 23, 201970 votes

Brand support makes me wanna vom, but no, it's not.

Pyke is just pure BS.

Josh SandJul 25, 20192 votes

It's a really easy fix to stop him from being a BS champion.

ADD AN ELEMENT OF RISK TO HIS PLAY PATTERN

Caitlyn FTWJul 24, 201924 votes

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MalignMetalJul 24, 20192 votes

Aren't they buffing him?

boricCentaur1Jul 23, 201911 votes

Is this a troll post? Why can raka regenerate her hp at hp 100 with all of that by just hitting q. Why can sona just press w, why can someone just press a summoner spell, why does Anivia come back to full hp after dying to ignite.

YOU CAN SAY THAT ABOUT ANY HEALING IN THE GAME.

Pyke is not supposed to lose to dot damage it is supposed to be in all that kills him SO YES THAT'S FAIR SINCE YOU'RE NOT PLAYING AROUND HE WEAKNESS.

thefatlazycatJul 23, 201930 votes

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Is this a troll post? Why can raka regenerate her hp at hp 100 with all of that by just hitting q. Why can sona just press w, why can someone just press a summoner spell, why does Anivia come back to full hp after dying to ignite.

YOU CAN SAY THAT ABOUT ANY HEALING IN THE GAME.

Pyke is not supposed to lose to dot damage it is supposed to be in all that kills him SO YES THAT'S FAIR SINCE YOU'RE NOT PLAYING AROUND HE WEAKNESS.

it's more the fact that his W has a poorly designed interaction where it trumps ignite's truesight, causing him to be hidden anyways. This is honestly a bad design and I agree that it needs to go

2Charmnot2CharmJul 23, 201915 votes

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it's more the fact that his W has a poorly designed interaction where it trumps ignite's truesight, causing him to be hidden anyways. This is honestly a bad design and I agree that it needs to go

Ignite doesn't have true sight tho, it only grants you vision if said target isn't invis.

Sp33d Zer0Jul 24, 20194 votes

Last I checked camoflauge =/= invis

WolfeurJul 24, 20192 votes

Camouflage and invisibility are both stealth mechanics. Sight doesn't reveal stealthed champions.

Now, you could make an argument to give Ignite true sight, but the point is that the interaction with Pyke is normal, and already counters the passive a lot.

ŚhunpoJul 24, 20192 votes

It reveals Akali now, so yes, it grants true sight.

2Charmnot2CharmJul 24, 20195 votes

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It reveals Akali now, so yes, it grants true sight.

Ether Akali is bugged or its some interaction riot did to her shroud when it was busted and forgot to remove since Karthus ult can do the same with his ult even though it NEVER reveals the target.

Edit: Do i really have to waste my time and pull it right out of the wiki cause you people do not understand the mechanics of something that has worked this way for YEARS https://i.imgur.com/CRrsYud.png[/img]. Ignite is not true sight and WILL NOT reveal Stealth champs regardless of it's type, if it's revealing Akali its a bug or unintended mechanic from her busted era, end of story.

Daddy AntsJul 24, 20192 votes

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Ether Akali is bugged or its some interaction riot did to her shroud when it was busted and forgot to remove since ult can do the same with his ult even though it NEVER reveals the target.

Edit: Do i really have to waste my time and pull it right out of the wiki cause you people do not understand the mechanics of something that has worked this way for YEARS https://i.imgur.com/CRrsYud.png[/img]. Ignite is not true sight and WILL NOT reveal Stealth champs regardless of it's type, if it's revealing Akali its a bug or unintended mechanic from her busted era, end of story

Pyke is Camouflage.

Camo is revealed by sight.

Stealth is things like Shaco, Akali, Vayne, Talon, Kai'Sa, Qiyana.

Only TRUE sight reveals stealth.

Deez CritsJul 24, 20196 votes

You're misinformed.

Camouflage is considered a type of stealth. What you're thinking of with your examples is invisibility, which is another form of stealth.

If the discussion here is whether ignite should reveal Pyke by the rulebook, the answer is no. Whether he should be revealed from a balancing perspective (or, for the sake of simplicity, have his passive regeneration disabled while taking damage) is another discussion.

The Bad TouchJul 26, 20192 votes

Seems like more of an issue with Riot not having a clue how to design anything since about season 3.

They need tossing in more an more pointless shit that they have way finish before moving on to the next champ getting an expensive skin.

ŚhunpoJul 24, 20193 votes

I wouldn't even be surprised with the fact it's probably a bug, 9.14 has brought nothing BUT bugs to the table.

Romans VI XXIIIJul 24, 20196 votes

I think your missing the FACT that NONE of those u listed would out heal the damage he listed lol.

boricCentaur1Jul 24, 20192 votes

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letsfeedtogetherJul 24, 20194 votes

Anivis has 8 seconds when she cannot move. She cannot cast anything. She cant do anything but wait. And her egg health can go down and or die. There for you can counter her "healing"

boricCentaur1Jul 24, 20191 votes

And you can just follow pyke to stop his healing and cc him.

letsfeedtogetherJul 24, 20195 votes

Yes its really easy to follow something you cannot see. + if he e in to w most champions cannot follow.

letsfeedtogetherJul 24, 20198 votes

I do not see how can you compare between sona heal or rake heal for 30 at a time. Will take like 5 minutes to get someone to full hp. And pyke passive that can make him 80% hp in 10 seonds. Even soraka has a trade off. when she heals she loses health.

boricCentaur1Jul 24, 20192 votes

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letsfeedtogetherJul 24, 20196 votes

Pyke can start healing from 80% hp.

Pyke has to take damage. But does not need to get put of the fight to heal it. All he need is w and he can heal back un during combat and go back to the fight. Soraka does lose hp. And her q is a slow skill shot. Because you wont be melee range. So no. She does not.

boricCentaur1Jul 24, 20192 votes

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letsfeedtogetherJul 24, 20197 votes

How is this wrong? As long as you have more then 20% hp. It can make you 80% i dont see how i was wrong. Soraka loses hp when she uses w. Yes. Learn it. Not my problem you do not know that.