adc items need more conduit type effects,
In a perfect world adc+sup would be able to 2v4 but neither would ever be able to 1v1 anyone in that 4 man
why? because stone cold sez so
Moody P5 votesless*
enchanters (as a class) need to be decoupled from marksmen for balance to be possible
Hammermancer2 votes[{quoted}](name=Moody P,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=y1lhr5nN,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-02-14T20:00:18.435+0000)
less*
enchanters (as a class) need to be decoupled from marksmen for balance to be possible
my retort is that i really think the duo adc+support is a cool concept of a symbiotic pair of champion classes, and if they don't wind up symbiotic then they become balanced with overpowered individualist kits
Moody P1 votesyeah but I want an enchanter that has synergy with juggernauts so I can have a cool symbiote too
Hammermancer2 votes[{quoted}](name=Moody P,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=y1lhr5nN,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2019-02-14T20:08:48.255+0000)
yeah but I want an enchanter that has synergy with juggernauts so I can have a cool symbiote too
aren't too bad of picks right?
Moody P1 votesif ivern was balanced around juggernauts and not just to be another genetic ardent shield bot for ADC I would say yes
taric not really. well, he's great at enhancing a juggernauts strengths (fighting people who arent gonna walk away) but generally juggernauts and taric have the same weaknesses and they don't cover each other well.
Hammermancer2 votes[{quoted}](name=Moody P,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=y1lhr5nN,comment-id=00000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-02-14T20:16:00.562+0000)
if ivern was balanced around juggernauts and not just to be another genetic ardent shield bot for ADC I would say yes
taric not really. well, he's great at enhancing a juggernauts strengths (fighting people who arent gonna walk away) but generally juggernauts and taric have the same weaknesses and they don't cover each other well.
ivern can be more, he can go mage support and just let you have a free gap closer which is MASSIVE
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Sir Saltarin1 votesNop, enchanters want cute marksmans and markswomans not brute juggernauts or bruisers.
It's not about balance, it's about aesthetic.
Moody P2 votescope
cute submissive sorakas are waiting for chad volibears to show up in their lane and gank them
ezreal being in base or watching it happen doesn't matter
GreenKnight2 votesSome synergies would benefit from that, but off meta picks and weird champion combos would be rendered pretty useless. And i don't want that.
Hammermancer1 votesSome synergies would benefit from that, but off meta picks and weird champion combos would be rendered pretty useless. And i don't want that.
Not all marksmen need to be in this boat, same with all supports
could be the 'selfish' marksman
would be the 'synergy' marksman
ChaosReyn2 votesHere's my take on it: Supports are not co-dependent on the ADC, necessarily. They're more co-dependent on their team as a whole, as their team is co-dependent on their unique utility and talents to keep them alive in bad times.
Let me put it this way: to bring up some ancient League history, the ADC used to solo lane in mid, and the support was paired at bot with a bruiser, with the mage and the main tank going top. It wasn't until after jungling became a thing that ADCs were seen as too vulnerable to ganks when solo laning (with the most consistent ADC in that era being Ashe blowing her ult and both summoners to gtfo from a decent gank, and almost any other ADC just getting beat down) and they were moved bot lane with the support, whose new job was to not be a battery for the bruiser anymore, but to spam CV and wards all over the place to help track the enemy jungler, in addition to being their ADC's babysitter.
Also, there was at one point...
Point being, they're not really limited to "bot with adc" and they really shouldn't be. That's not how diversity and evolution of gaming strategy works. As Riot is slowly starting to realize, trying to force a type of playstyle is the fastest way to kill a game.
disregardable1 votesthe issue with that is adc sup lanes against adc sup
so they'd have identical power levels.
Hammermancer1 votesthe issue with that is adc sup lanes against adc sup
so they'd have identical power levels.
Yeah but they eventually end laning phase. The idea is to dissuade adcs or supports from doing that "Why the fuck is leona splitpushing?" thing at least without their adc right next to them split pushing
OtterlyLost1 votesWe were really close to that and people were pissed and it got nerfed. That was called the Ardent Meta. They should work to make supports and ADCs more independent from each other instead. I wish that they'd allow supports to go mid lane occasionally.
Hammermancer2 votesWe were really close to that and people were pissed and it got nerfed. That was called the Ardent Meta. They should work to make supports and ADCs more independent from each other instead. I wish that they'd allow supports to go mid lane occasionally.
NO the ardent meta was when Enchanters were strong on their own and everyone was just playing protect the adc
that's horse shit
there was no way back into the game, this power shouldn't be shared across the team and these items should effectively be support/adc only items
no ardent nidalee
Sir Saltarin1 votesAs someome who basically plays premade bot every game I can I would sure love more adc-supps synergy but I'm not sure if it would be great for the game balance at all.
Wait, hold on, if that was real playing with an ADC and traditional supp would be even more needed and non adc botlanes would be gone for good definetely.
Go ahead.