+ one of 
+200g
45 movement speed and jungle item, seriously barebones, allow champs who don't want to go for bloodrazor, Warrior, or cinderhulk to build this instead thus allowing more viability for off meta junglers
Daddy Ants13 votesCinder is for tanks. Runic is for AP Warrior is for fighters. Bloodrazor is for AS junglers.
I'd say the jungle item variety is fine.
ChauvinPlaysLoL45 votesHe’s talking about certain junglers who don’t necessarily need the jungle item like Ivern or those off meta ones who’d rather get to their core items faster.
I’d make an argument that Jax can do well in the jungle without the jungle items since his core items and conqueror already provide so much. So having a jungle item be your boots giving you five core item slots, but still allowing you to get that extra experience and jungle income and jungle presence would be cool.
Beatrice falls45 votesCinder is for tanks. Runic is for AP Warrior is for fighters. Bloodrazor is for AS junglers.
I'd say the jungle item variety is fine.
doesn't need runic for instance
Terchio1 votesRunic isn't as bad as the old one. It may help to not have a channel with the Echo effect, but at its activation rate, it's not that overbearing compared to AP champions that abused the Sheen effect. Fiddlesticks is most commonly (and most successfully) built with Runic Echoes in Jungle first or second.
Eeyore2 votesI mean, he uses neither of them any better than the other. He doesn't move or casts (more than one) spells while jungling - so both items sit at 0 charges.
Terchio1 votesThe difference is Fiddlesticks getting 2 procs to everyone else's 5-6 vs. Fiddlesticks getting 1 proc to everyone else getting still probably 1, 2 on a good camp. The charge on Echo is simply not that fast, moving or casting. More of the heavy lifting is in the AP and CDR these days, and moving camp to camp does acceptably well for Fiddles in charging.
Numbers don't lie. Fiddlesticks is winning jungle with Runic Echoes first or second buy, either before or after his Sorc Boots.
ValyrianBlade15 votesCinder is for tanks. Runic is for AP Warrior is for fighters. Bloodrazor is for AS junglers.
I'd say the jungle item variety is fine.
I find I build cinderhulk on bruisers in the jungle that don't need Warrior because they typically go Triforce into full tank.
Having the option to get an armor or MR item instead would be nice... Although to be honest I can't think of a situation where I'd prefer these boots and spirit visage or dead Man's over cinderhulk with Mercury treads or Ninja tabi respectively.
So the item suggested may need some work, but the generally idea is cool.
TwitchInMyPants2 votesCinder is for tanks. Runic is for AP Warrior is for fighters. Bloodrazor is for AS junglers.
I'd say the jungle item variety is fine.
Bloodrazor has no lifesteal Cinder has no armor/mr Warrior has no lethality Runic demands mages auto attack even if you're fiddlesticks or karthus
These items do not cover every potential jungler. There's a reason these things have been changing every year since jungle items started being a thing in S3.
DuskDaUmbreon2 votes?????
How does Runic demand they auto? It literally says nothing about autos in the entire description.
Terchio1 votesThe old effect did, the Runeglaive one. He's a little bit behind.
jocomotion2 votesCinder is for tanks. Runic is for AP Warrior is for fighters. Bloodrazor is for AS junglers.
I'd say the jungle item variety is fine.
Cough Cough 
Kazekiba1 votes
+ jg item + 
+ 450g
10% CDR, 250 mana, 75% mana regen, 40 MR and Harmony (Increased HP regen based on bonus Mana Regen)
Might be too specifically for Ivern and less for Support-y junglers in general, but it does help lower damage champions get through the Jungle as long as they can ... complete Chalice of Harmony.
I thought about making Forbidden Idol the primary component, but I'm not sure thats a good idea. What do you think?
Sire Hippington12 voteswouldn't mind something like that, though it needs a bit extra else it would hardly make a difference to just keeping / till you actually need that 6th inventory slot
The main reason to upgrade them is that the enchantments are extremly goldefficient to a point where not pick em up is self sabotage. Even 
on fiddle, for 1625g you gain 80 ap, 10%cdr, 300mana, the ecco proc and extra manasustain.
So for those boots to compete in anyway at all, they need to offer a little bit more, like 10more ms in jungle+river, or restoring 5% missing mana/health on big monster takedowns.
AugustHeatHaze7 votesms in river and the health restore would be good
WoΘxer10 votesJust give me green smite back and I am fine.
Skeletons Grave5 votesIf you dont like the jungle item then do what everyone else does, dont buy it. Stop building it at and go into ur normal build. Then sell it later when ur ready for a real item. Or be one of those junglers that can get away with only buying 
then going normal build.
Also ruinic is great on fiddle now since its gives his fav 2 stats, ap and cdr. The problem with fiddle is he is terrible right now. Its not an itemization issue.
THE D1C2 votes[{quoted}](name=Skeletons Grave,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=s5XnJPoJ,comment-id=0009,timestamp=2018-10-29T20:33:37.462+0000)
If you dont like the jungle item then do what everyone else does, dont buy it. Stop building it at
Also ruinic is great on fiddle now since its gives his fav 2 stats, ap and cdr. The problem with fiddle is he is terrible right now. Its not an itemization issue.
Doesn’t really work like that anymore thanks to f***ing lcs funnel bull... This way you don’t get so F’d by incomplete if you are ahead
Kazekiba1 votesNot much reason a Jungler should be last hitting minions. Donate them to your laners unless they just died or theres no one to push minions off towers, in which case youre not killing minions for the gold value but rather the pressure and more important aspects of the game.
Snowman Arc2 votesYou still lose out a lot. Also, later in the game, you might wanna push lanes as well.
In any case, you shouldn't be disallowed from doing it.
SpaghettiVase3 votesI feel like there would need to be some slight incentive to buy it over what essentially just equates to more damage from ever other other jungle item. I mean someone like Ivern has no real reason to do damage but why not build it? There is no downside, so these boots would just get overshadowed even by him.
Z3Sleeper4 votesThe incentive is low cost, tier 2 boots + complete jungle item packed into one slot so you can build a different item entirely.
1600g upgrade vs 500g upgrade
AugustHeatHaze1 votesthe incentive is lower cost + freeing up a slot which is an issue with jungle items.
SpaghettiVase3 votesThat still doesn't mean anything though, a lower cost just to have a red/blue smite really doesn't do anything. It's not like the champs who don't need a completed jungle item HAVE to rush it. You see other champions rush an item before completing the tier 2 jungle item anyways. As for taking up a slot, none of the jungle items are that bad really? I mean if a game goes on long enough to wear an item would be better in place of it, you can just sell it for that item. Having a red/blue smite isn't really that crucial by the full build point
GigglesO1 votesI feel like there would need to be some slight incentive to buy it over what essentially just equates to more damage from ever other other jungle item. I mean someone like Ivern has no real reason to do damage but why not build it? There is no downside, so these boots would just get overshadowed even by him.
and 
Don't stack
Sometimes I'd rather have the extra item slot than the shitty bonus hp...
ForFoxSakes3 votesI wouldnt ever build that item even on champs who may not want a completed jg item early. You'd be giving up some pretty big benefits on the boots like even more move speed, tenacity or autos reduction which is a pretty big part in duelling and the matchup vs the opposing jungler
Agent Corgi3 votes"These are so much better than the mudloafers I've been using." - Ivern, 2016
LeftyRaydy2 votesI like it *throws glass at the ground) ANOTHER!
SlashStriker1 votes + = 
mobis always been shoes for junglers
Shazzbot691 votes
mobis always been shoes for junglers
hell no. You forget supports need mobi too.
Ætheist1 votesBy buying these, you're giving up on any pair of stats from the following lists:
Slot A +35% AS +20 Armor and +12% auto-attack mitigation +25 MR and 30% Tenacity +18 Magic Penetration +10% Cooldown Reduction and +10% Summoner Spell CDR +115 out of combat MS
Slot B +50% AS and 4% Target's Max HP on-hit damage +300 (+15%) Health and burn aura +60 AD and +10% CDR +80 AP, 300 Mana, +10% CDR, and Echo + mana restore on monsters
Sure, you're saving a slot and some gold, but the item you DO have is kinda really bad and devoid of anything useful.
Rathar Dashing3 votesUhh, by saving a slot you can fill it with any item, pretty much any of which can cover for the stats you lose.
All the jungle enchants are already basically weaker versions of items, save for Cinderhulk which grants a good amount of %health and a more CS oriented damage aura.
As for boots, most of those stats are easily gotten by other items. Randiuns covers your tabis and then some, a zeal item covers your loss of attack speed, and pretty much every item these days gives you +10% or more CDR. Stacking flat MPen would be a good buy against some people with sorc shoes + morello, but morello + void staff can get the job done with more AP, and better effectiveness against tanks and minions. OOC movement speed is also quite valuable, but depending on the champion, there are certain items that can make up for this, such as ZZ'rot, ghostblade, deadmans, etc. Finally, tenacity +MR is pretty much unseen in any other item. If you're on SR, this is your only option. Even if you're playing blitz, you might not be able to use Zephyr or Moonflair. So if you really need tenacity, then don't buy this item. Plus, you could get Steraks + Cinderhulk for a massive shield pop.
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Uhh, by saving a slot you can fill it with any item, pretty much any of which can cover for the stats you lose.
Yup. The item would actually completely broken as long as a ridicoulous price tag is not put on it. Gold efficiency + Item slot efficiency = must buy item, even for the champs that are not the original target for this propos
TeCoolMage1 votesI think though that it should be worse than jungle item and normal upgraded boots, but not to the point you get nothing but a merge (+the bare minimum bonus of upgrading) of the two items.
Either it gives the same MS as swiftness (but no slow resist), 45 MS and a crappier boots of mobility passive (and increase the price) or just allow this merge to occur with any boots (but up the price a bit only because you already need to pay 800g)
otherwise you just upgrade boots normally, keep jg item un-upgraded, then sell it which defeats the purpose. The utility of having extra slots to hold 1 extra item component is not worth it, and the payoff of getting an extra item super late is not worth the 200 tax early if you're a jg that needs the extra MS, and not worth late when you can upgrade boots normally and sell jg item or sell both and buy two full items.
At best it'll make no impact to jg viability of champs that can't use other upgrades because they'll just not upgrade at all.
Kazekiba1 votesFree Mobis to any junglers is exactly what it would take to put Elise and maybe Lee Sin back in the meta.
Terchio1 votesMy only gripe is this...
Boots are so important in the game that you simply can't avoid the regular upgrades. They give potentially important things like Tenacity, a powerful autoattack defense, magic penetration, and better speeds on a gank specifically. While plenty of junglers can't use the current Jungle Items ideally, Boots are never really a problem to find your ideal choice, which should outweigh this new Boots iteration.
Only thing I find appealing about this item is that junglers wouldn't have to spend 2 slots for Boots and Jungle Item, assuming they want to keep both. However, I'd add that such an endgame use of the Jungle Item feels against how they're supposed to function.
ZerglingOne1 votesMy only gripe is this...
Boots are so important in the game that you simply can't avoid the regular upgrades. They give potentially important things like Tenacity, a powerful autoattack defense, magic penetration, and better speeds on a gank specifically. While plenty of junglers can't use the current Jungle Items ideally, Boots are never really a problem to find your ideal choice, which should outweigh this new Boots iteration.
Only thing I find appealing about this item is that junglers wouldn't have to spend 2 slots for Boots and Jungle Item, assuming they want to keep both. However, I'd add that such an endgame use of the Jungle Item feels against how they're supposed to function.
You could give it a "point runner" effect while in the jungle or river that persists for a second or two after coming out.
Wyrmblade1 votesWooden clogs
Monstermushmush1 votesEVERYONE PLEASE UPVOTE THIS! I NEED THIS FOR MY EKKO JUNGLE!!!
Wild Geese1 votesWhy not just add more jungle items.. 4 covers the bases but every other lane has a lot more to choose from.
Take Garen top for instance; he can rush Black Cleaver, Trinity Force, Sunfire Cape, or even a Ghostblade. And those are just the more popular options. Lee Sin can go Warrior. That's all.
There should be say... 12 jungle items!
FSRER1 votesDo these boots give you speed because if they do... damn i will have to ban hecarim since their release. Early speed combined with predator? going to be a nightmare
MLDzXnRRR1 votesI don't build jungle items aside from smite on some champs like Trynda or Yasuo. The problem with boots jungle item is that support champion that can jungle will become good, they don't need farm, all their job is to land some kind of CC.
CasterGilgamesh1 votessupport junglers will still be open to invades and counter ganks since they wont do damage and anyway it shouldnt be that big a problem riot does want more champion diversity dont they? we already have 
and jungle why not more supports
MLDzXnRRR1 votessupport junglers will still be open to invades and counter ganks since they wont do damage and anyway it shouldnt be that big a problem riot does want more champion diversity dont they? we already have
Nunu is (or was - I haven't played much or checked game updates info) OP numberwise... idk how healthy for the game is to have someone with big numbers that doesn't need anything to function. That's one of the reasons why support Brand is considered OP - he may have no farm and items, but 1 good R and W = wrecked enemy team.
Hammermancer1 votesWow I went to work and then came back to see this blow up!
so it seems like people think there needs to be incentive, i've seen mobis be brought up
In spirit of jungle items I think maybe the boots should be weaker versions of other boots, with special bonuses against monsters or special bonuses while in the jungle
Swift Woodsman's boots: just swifties but without the slow reduction,
Mobile Woodsman's boots, Mobis with an adaptive bonus in river
Lucid Woodsman's boots: Bonus CDR, Smite cooldown lowered additionally Berserk woodsman: bonus on hit vs monsters
Armored Woodsman: Damage reduction vs monsters, also some armor
Tenacious Woodsman: MR+ immunity to monster CC
these are just an idea to bring the boots up to par,
RightClick McGee1 votesI want the stacking jg item back (forgot what it was called) I think it would help with the jg meta especially when the only champions that are good in the jg are those that can skirmish for scuttle I think it'd make it viable for junglers that can't duel every known champion 
ProffessorAutism1 votesWe say Woodspoeple boots here
Hammermancer1 votesAre you saying Skarner can't get some? Wowww
Woodsbeingsboots
LordGeovanni1 votesThis automatically makes this the best jungle item in the game because it frees up a whole slot with no downsides as any of the other slots that would hold the jungle item with other enchantments can be filled with an actual better item (in cinderhulks case not better just comparable while also not drawing unwanted tower agro unless they go for sunfirecape.) better in both stats and effects.