2 hyper carries that aren't affected enough by getting shut down early

DiveAlive·Jan 19, 2020·49 votes·15,501 views

their instafarm kits let them chain feed with very poor performance but honestly stay a threat regardless..

yasuo also has a really strong early lane phase, and it's really hard to beat a yi to level 4 and 6 bolstering him early.

so 2 of the best late game carries are also early game bullies that can't be stalled.

and i'm gonna go there and note that they're auto attack based so while having some skill requirement to deal full damage they can easily make you hate life with a simple right click.

p.s. attack speed low key broken :/

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22 Caliber RifleJan 19, 202046 votes

Tryndamere

Umbra ZJan 19, 20205 votes

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Can you win teamfights? If not then play aram on a sidelane and go 1 for 1 when they send 3!

LordGeovanniJan 21, 20201 votes

U arent stopping a Trynda with 3 unless u have both of the champions that taunt and an adc.

LordGeovanniJan 21, 20201 votes

Nasus . I got 60 damage from stacks or got to level 6 and got a item 3057 get out of my lane mofo.

PiVoRxJan 19, 202018 votes

MasterYi early game bully, you made my day

aIRaymondJan 19, 20205 votes

honestly yi can duel most things at every stage of the game, of course there's like olaf and lee that can duel him but that's about it.

PiVoRxJan 19, 20203 votes

yi without ult cant even duel soraka or janna cause they will be kiting him forever

crippler38Jan 19, 20208 votes

That's not a duel then, they aren't gonna kill him either.

EedatJan 19, 20201 votes

Yi is pretty shit early that cant duel almost any meta jungler until he has items

aIRaymondJan 20, 20201 votes

so he loses to elise, olaf and nocturne, (at level 2 he beats these but loses at 3). that's about it tho

EedatJan 20, 20201 votes

No, he loses to most champs. I main Wukong and he has a trash early jungle and gets bullied by practically everything and even I can outduel a Yi early

aIRaymondJan 20, 20201 votes

no flame but in gold I wouldn't be surprised to see ivern out duel an olaf, yi will just w wukongs E and wukong will never win that fight.

EedatJan 20, 20201 votes

You are posting on a silver account that doesnt even jungle and are attempting to tell me how jungle matchups go because my rank. Right.

aIRaymondJan 20, 20201 votes

well I have to be a little careful with the accounts since jannies are not ok but https://eune.op.gg/summoner/userName=Iljos

Crescent DuskJan 19, 20201 votes

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honestly yi can duel most things at every stage of the game, of course there's like olaf and lee that can duel him but that's about it.

Rek'sai as well, she can kill him within the knockup stun.

But he can straight up outduel a kha'zix while isolated, so he's by no means a weak early champ.

Starcraft243verJan 20, 20202 votes

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Rek'sai as well, she can kill him within the knockup stun.

But he can straight up outduel a kha'zix while isolated, so he's by no means a weak early champ.

no he can't.

Crescent DuskJan 20, 20201 votes

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no he can't.

Yes, he can. Maybe you're not using your W, but a W buying you enough time until the next alpha strike is all Yi needs to beat Kha'zix pre-6 and then he can take that lead to keep stomping him since you can time your meditate for one of Kha'zix's Q's if you're not absolutely terrible, I block Kha'zix Q's on Pantheon all the time.

Kha'zix is pretty weak early and relies on snowballing early ganks to not get invaded out of existence. The only assassins he can duel in the jungle are Eve and Kayn. He loses to Rengar, he loses to a decently played Shaco with ignite advantage early, and he most certainly gets bent over by the rest of the good 1v1 fighters like lee sin/olaf/rek'sai/udyr/warwick/volibear and even J4.

Kiwi LemonadeJan 19, 20209 votes

Master Yi is more of noob stomper. Most of the time he isn't stopped because people whiff their CC at low elo, when we all know full well that he will just Q it. Also taking hourglass, barrier, or some type of defensive method is essential because hes like KAtarina on kill resets. If you do everything you can to just not die, he becomes a flopping fish in a teamfight. But yes when he gets fed, no matter the elo, hes borderline unstoppable.

Yasuo on the other hand is and always will be monsterously overpowered. The infamous champion that bred the meta we have now dating back several years set a precedent for mobility, freebies, and overloaded kits that no champion ever comes close to beating (well maybe Akali). Since he still hasn't been truly nerfed in 2 years like Akali has in just the last 3 months, I doubt he will ever be. Once Akali is gutted in 10.2 I can move from auto banning her to banning Yasuo again and my problems will be gone :D

FSRERJan 19, 20208 votes

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Master Yi is more of noob stomper. Most of the time he isn't stopped because people whiff their CC at low elo, when we all know full well that he will just Q it. Also taking hourglass, barrier, or some type of defensive method is essential because hes like KAtarina on kill resets. If you do everything you can to just not die, he becomes a flopping fish in a teamfight. But yes when he gets fed, no matter the elo, hes borderline unstoppable.

Excactly! Yi is noob stomer! That is why he still has 50% winrate at Platinum and Diamond and remains a dominant pick at pro play as well

WTBeGirl100EUhrJan 19, 202012 votes

Almost entirely unpicked in pro play.

Sir SaltarinJan 19, 202016 votes

You are right.

But the thing is that ppl sometimes have the wrong feeling that Yi is just a noob stomper when he's just a soloQ stomper.

TheorexJan 19, 20201 votes

Yi is almost non existent outside of one tricks, in diamond elo. And it is very easy to shut them out if they don't massively ahead in the early game. If they don't normally have 2 kills by 8 minutes or 6 kills by 20 minutes, they are normally very very very easy to deal with. But then again I also play high CC champions or high damage + some CC champions such as Ryze/Malzahar/Zilean

Little WitcheryJan 20, 20203 votes

He's not nonexistent. He has a 7.1% pickrate Platinum+.

TheorexJan 20, 20201 votes

Diamond+ I see one every like 100 games I play. Either they play in the middle of the day or I'm just lucky enough to not have to deal with them ever. Regardless, the champion is still easy af to deal with when all of the people on your team know what to do to shut him out.

Little WitcheryJan 20, 20202 votes

Alright, 5% pickrate Diamond+. That's not just one tricks.

Not going to respond to the second part because that can apply to any champion. "Aphelios is easy to deal with when the people on your team know what to do to shut him out"...etc etc

TheorexJan 20, 20201 votes

That is not true what so ever. The second part LMAO. There are some champions that are just strong because Riot hasn't adequately nerfed them. Kaisa/Xayah/Akali/Irelia were prime examples of these. Xayah had a 70% presence in 2019 worlds.

Also I would like to know what site you are using to see that he is picked 5% of the time. In diamond +

Little WitcheryJan 23, 20201 votes

Literally U.GG, the website Riot said was most accurate.

And the second part...is true?

Z3SIeeperJan 20, 20201 votes

Diamond 1+ I only ever see Yi paired with Taric and it's pure cancer every time.

I wish the strat was nerfed into the dirt. Completely warps the game around Yi.

ProphetOfDravenJan 19, 20207 votes

dominant pick at pro play

Are you trolling? This champion is unplayable in coordinated play. He will have the entire enemy team in his jungle for the entire game. I watch LCS and LEC quite a bit and I have NEVER seen Yi picked.

Sir SaltarinJan 19, 20206 votes

He was only played, and only sometimes when funnel was a thing

I remember him being played on LCK with that strat

But you are right, on 99.9% of the metas Yi is unplayable on pro play.

ŚhunpoJan 19, 20201 votes

Funneling is still a pickable thing, it's just difficult to do now.

EedatJan 19, 20204 votes

a dominant pick at pro play as well

[zombie-brand-mindblown]

SmyrageJan 19, 20202 votes

Yasuo is only a hypercarry if his team composition allows him to combo wombo. In a team without knockups he is weak, even if he is fed, because without proper setup he is focused down easily. He needs to be super fed to be able to carry on his own.

The problem with the stat check champions and the likes of Katarina is the simple fact that once fed they require no effort. At low elo they are more likely to be fed and can 1v5, because of how heinously powerful their numbers are. It is easy to preach about that they can be shut down early easily, when low elo is a clown fiesta in general and there are people who are clearly better than that elo, except they can't win a game, because they are unable to shut down the enemy hypercarry. It is true, starting from Gold elo. At Silver and below people are getting stomped by randomly fed Yis, even though you didn't even die to him at all. They make climbing harder than it should be and such champions are the reason why Elo Hell is a thing in the first place. No matter how good you play, you are bound to lose matches, because one person in your team will hard int a stat check from time to time. I'm not saying that they can't be shut down, but shutting down a fed MasterYi needs at least 2 hard winning lanes, preferable either Top/Mid or Bot.

HazeVictoryJan 19, 20203 votes

Katarina requires effort even when fed. Literally any tank with the slightest of magic resist will ruin her day and she loses lane to any champion not named Veigar.

Yasuo and Yi have no such drawbacks. They scale at 2 Items, never fall off, and do Katarina levels of burst damage while also being able to put out consistent sustained damage.

TerozuJan 19, 20201 votes

Kat also wins lane vs Ahri, entirely due to her charm's cast time.

Carry on.

HazeVictoryJan 20, 20201 votes

Ahri vs Kata is a skill matchup. Ahri players like to pretend like Ahri doesn't dish out damage but she does a shit ton even against tanks with mr.

Btw Katarina also has a delay on her E which Riot said they had removed but never actually did.

KrypticBeingJan 20, 20201 votes

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Katarina requires effort even when fed. Literally any tank with the slightest of magic resist will ruin her day and she loses lane to any champion not named Veigar.

Yasuo and Yi have no such drawbacks. They scale at 2 Items, never fall off, and do Katarina levels of burst damage while also being able to put out consistent sustained damage.

Yasuo 100% falls off. His passive makes sure of that. It makes his mid strong while weakening his late.

HazeVictoryJan 20, 20202 votes

Stop smoking and realize that Yasuo's passive allows him to do at 2 Items what every late game ADC hopes to achieve at 4.

TerozuJan 20, 20201 votes

Uhhh no it doesn't.

If you're referring to the weakened critical strikes, keep in mind Yasuo gets to build more AD than any other crit based champ.

NaughtyWordJan 19, 20209 votes

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Master Yi is more of noob stomper.

Right, that perfectly explains why he has a ~52% WR plat+ korean servers.

PiVoRxJan 19, 20203 votes

funneling

IllabetheJan 19, 20204 votes

It's more the fact he can pause ult, dodge almost any skill shot, and requires a game of chicken to beat, and no high elo Yi players will make plays to lose that game of chicken. If they see a skill shot coming, they will Alpha. If they don't, they will just auto. If they see a team, they will run away, hoping that a chase will separate pursuers. If they separate, he will begin picking them off. If they don't, he just keeps running.

HazeVictoryJan 19, 20205 votes

It's not the aa's which is the problem. It's the fact that these guys while being late game carries outscale 90% of the roster at two relatively cheap items by mid game.

Late game champs shouldn't be allowed to hit late game status at 2 Items.

The King DiamondJan 19, 20204 votes

I would add Jax here. He can feed his enemy ass hard, but after he get his Trinity his is starting to be strong. After he completes his second and third item, he is rly STRONG, when getting full build he don't give a shit.

HazeVictoryJan 19, 20205 votes

I would NOT add Jax here. Jax's items are very expensive, he doesn't get to solo carry games at 2 Items and needs more than just item 3078 + item 3748 to be able to solo carry. Setting him behind causes him to take ages to catch back up merely due to how expensive his items are.

He also doesn't late game spike hard enough after they nerfed his ult and Q damage and is cockblocked by tanks.

Baby GhoulJan 20, 20204 votes

Yasuo is a much bigger problem.

At least the team has to work to funnel their power into Yi for him to be effective. It's still disgusting and shouldn't exist, but I've seen so many Yasuos somehow feed their butt off the entire game despite his versatile kit, then just decimate teams late game with no effort.

I don't even like having Yasuos on my team because they feel so comfortable feeding.

They'll take every bad fight for a chance that they'll win it because it doesn't matter to them.

Yasuo is going to be a threat late game regardless of how they perform. Meanwhile, the rest of the team takes a huge hit because that reckless player is mindlessly giving away so much gold, usually to another assassin which makes you play super safe and fall further behind.

We get no chance to even try to win the game ourselves with most Yasuos in solo queue, and I'm sick of it.

Those players force you to rely on them even though they're the reason you're in a desperate situation.

All you can do is turtle the match while the enemy team sweats to win a match they realistically would have won already if we didn't have Yasuo on our team. No other champion can hard feed and then turn into massive threat.

What ends up happening is the game turns into a drawn out coin toss all because of a bad Yasuo player. It's happened numerous times to me, but I was reminded of this frustrating situation after I had a Yasuo on my team go 0/8/1 by 17 minutes and then got a triple kill out nowhere. Nobody could contest him, and we were forced to play to win while they try to figure out a way to get around the Yasuo.

The only one having fun in those kinds of matches is the Yasuo player.

KarfussJan 19, 20203 votes

Yasuo takes the cake in that he can go 0/5, but since his passives give so much inherent value and his windwall blocks projectiles, he'll always outduel an ADC and projectile-based mages. With items, he is never not a threat to them.

Yi, at least, doesn't have so much hand holding built into his kit. While he can get fed, snowball and decimate anyone in a few seconds... Once the Q is down, he is susceptible to any CC, projectile or otherwise, and will always be at a disadvantage when the enemy is grouping.

IllabetheJan 19, 20204 votes

No Hand holding on Yi?

He's one of the only champs in the game who can:

Pause his own ult, and extend its duration.
is completely immune to attack speed slow mechanics as well as move speed slow mechanics
Has a resettable common skill that applies Vanish AND Untargetability.
apply crit to aoes.
strike the same target 5 times in a skill (was even removed from Fiora's ult)

Once Q is down

^ really loaded words. Good Yis just play "chicken" and don't Q until a CC is incoming. You literally have to chicken him back, and usually that mean you dying because you have to take hits while he waits to Q.

Go watch my last game. Watch Yi played by "Mr Hacker." (given his skill level he's at least a Plat I smurf) He turret dived my Morgana at least 4-5 times, and managed to not only kill, but sometimes get a double, and get out scott free. And it's not like the rest of the game I missed my Q's. Many of the times, I didn't even miss my Q when he killed. But..... he was 100% timing his Q to counter my CC/turret hits, etc.

(Disclosure: My adc duo did put me 3 levels behind this game, but I started the game with a level 1kill; When I recalled to Lux hitting Q's blind, adc full pushed lane and lost me some 3 minutes of Xp while I came back and waited. I did kill Yi 3 times, but it wasn't anything but him overplaying. He still got the kills except at the fountain dive).

40% of the champ roster has no skills or juking to counterplay Yi, btw.