Help your fecking jungler when they get invaded...
You cry when they don't drop everything they are doing to babysit you in lane but when your jungler is getting ganked your lazy ass stays in lane with your gaping mouth open while minions jump down your throat..
That is what we call a Double Standard, and it's bad.
Lugg53 votesI don't understand why people don't come running when you see the enemy jungler in your own jungle. It's basically a free kill.
Moulin Rouge5 votesI don't understand why people don't come running when you see the enemy jungler in your own jungle. It's basically a free kill.
Oh I know! xD
Chromatic Eagle24 votesSame reason why no one wards their lane, but complain when they get ganked and blame the jungler.
xFrostKnightx5 votesI would go help the jungler every time over getting the ADC 4-8 more farm.
The jungler is more important than the ADC. They have map pressure and can easily help win Top/Mid while ADC is nothing but fragile glass who is dependant on Top/JG/Sup.
A strong Top/JG/Sup easily makes up for the ADC missing 5-10 dmg "because they missed a wave" when I go to help JG.
Rinky Dinky4 votesBecause if you dont get the kill you potentially lose 1-2 waves of cs, and lose any chance of winning the lane against a competent player in an even/bad match up
Lugg4 votesYou do know that a kill is worth an entire wave right? Plus the lane will be pushed up so you can farm safely.
Rinky Dinky2 votesBecause if you dont get the kill you potentially lose 1-2 waves of cs
Oh and a kill is worth 2-3 waves depending on if there is a cannon or not
MasterVidallis6 votesIf your jungler dies because you didn't help the enemy jungler will get fed and be able to gank your ass while your jun will be behind and not be able to gank as much. If you think that's gonna be good for your lane carry on then.
Lugg2 votesIf you can't get a 2v1 kill in your own jungle, you probably don't deserve the CS you missed.
The only exception I can see is if the jungler has insane mobility like Lee Sin. Then the chances of actually catching him may outway the loss. Still, you have to support your jungler anyway. If you don't help him and he dies, the enemy jungler can start to snowball which will lead to you dying from ganks and you end up losing WAY more CS in the long run.
Rinky Dinky2 votesImplying it is always possible to kill a 
or 
who invades. You mention insane mobility, well, all the good invaders have just that.
I am not saying to not help your jungler, i AM saying that there IS a potential loss.
Daen2 votesIf choosing between the safety of my jungler/control of our jungle and a couple of minions, I'll pick the first every time. An effective jungler is worth his/her weight in creeps, because the sheer amount of map pressure that player can create is insane.
Besides, even if you don't get the kill it ends up wasting the enemy jungler's time and possibly getting that kill to a teammate, increasing your team's gold advantage.
babbleboi1 votesUnless youre really high ELO, i doubt your laner would know to capitalize on your absence..and I doubt it'd put you that much behind because most people can barely CS even when it's an empty lane lol.
Rinky Dinky2 votesYou actually think its hard for a laner to follow a laner they are already shitting on to a free kill?
What?
darkmatchwaldo1 votesuhm...yes? unless you're gold and above most laners are too dumb to even know you're gone until it's too late.
Rinky Dinky2 votesIf you actually give other players so little credit, it is no wonder you have having such trouble climbing lol
Moulin Rouge23 votesor maybe you just had shitty team mates. I always help my jungler when he's invaded. Actually, I prefer to invade the enemy jungler myself.
Lugg8 votesGreat on you dude. But personally I can only remember TWO games jungling where laners have actually helped with an invade.
gg git diff8 votesStory Time: I was playing Kha’Zix and they had a Shaco jungle. We had a Vayne ADC, and I started at bot jungle (red side). After Gromp I spotted Shaco and I started pinging bot lane to come and help me. Shaco engages on me, I’m forced to duel, I continue asking for help from bot, about 15 seconds later I’m dead. I ask bot why they didn’t come and help and the Vayne stats blaming me for dying and how it’s my responsibility to deal with invades.
Ralanr11 votes...that Vayne is an asshole.
xFrostKnightx11 votesShould have pinged mid. If you see a Vayne, they will never help the team only themselves.
Spacesuit Spiff7 votesIve been on all sides of this and i agree, but its important to acknowledge that they cant always help you. If a Lee or Nid comes out of nowhere while youre doing your first red, your lanes arent gonna stop your face getting torn off, especially if they're in the middle of their own fight. Warding and pinging when you notice the invade helps a lot though.
darkmatchwaldo1 votesTo be fair, if you're up against a lee or nid you should probably use your trinket and get someone else to drop one as well so you can see them coming and gtfo.
Spacesuit Spiff1 votesYeah throwing a trinket over the wall behind red buff has saved my life countless times.
When I'm supporting and they have nid, I'll keep an eye on my jungler and pop in to kill her the moment she shows.
KING OF MASKS5 votesEvery laner's mindset should be that they are on their own against their opponent (with the obvious exception of bot, which is a duo). If the jungler wants to lend a hand that's their prerogative; if they want to spend the first 30 minutes farming for Sated Devourer that's also their prerogative.
Daen2 votesTo an extent I agree, but there are certain strategies that are almost impossible to deal with in some situations without jungle pressure. Some good examples of this are proxy Singed, champions hard pushing into your turret constantly with the ability to poke at range, etc.
It's definitely up to the laner to ensure things like that don't happen, but if they do it's kind of up to the jungler to help alleviate that pressure since the laner has lost all possible control.
KING OF MASKS2 votesGood point, but those scenarios are definitely the exception rather than the rule. And even then the jungler isn't under an ironclad obligation to do anything.
CrippledLlama3 votesI love it when I'm playing Shen and someone tries to kill my jungler. I just ult in, get free gold, and go back to lane.
Spaceman5pff1 votesThis here is literally WHY i play shen
darkmatchwaldo1 votes
My fav jungler for the same reason but the opposite way.
See a laner getting killed, ult in, taunt, secure kill, go back to farming.
Only Play Darius3 votesWell unfortunately the jungler most vulnerable to invades is also the one least likely to ever gank.
<3
MealReadytoEat3 votesAlso, if you are going to blame me every time you do bad, I'm going to blame me every time you do good :)
JesusDonut2 votesPreach! People who think support gets unfair hatred and slave treatment have never played jungle.
KidPhantomhive3 votesWhat is this?!?! A thread full of people with actual common sense!?!? WHERE ARE ALL OF YOU WHEN IM PLAYING?!?
Alleo2 votesAlways assist your friendly neighborhood jungler.....unless he doesn't give any presence in your lane for the first 15 minutes of the game and lets you get ganked 4 times by the other team...then just build up your farm.
Spaceman5pff1 votesYou jungler is not capable of "letting you get ganked". Warding your lane and playing around your wards is part of laning and if you cannot do that, then you need to work on your laning
"But I am mid, I have 2 sides to ward!" Then ward one side and hug it [or ward both bc the shop has wards beyond trinket and sightstone y'know ], the only champion who can threaten you across the lane without stealth or leaving brush is Zac. In that SOLE circumstance, pray to god Zac doesn't camp you cos u dun bbgurl
Alleo1 votesHe can "let you get ganked" if you're in the process of getting ganked top lane and he decides its better to kill scuttle than come assist you too.
Spaceman5pff1 votesHe can "let you get ganked" if you're in the process of getting ganked top lane and he decides its better to kill scuttle than come assist you too.
You literally EMBODY the cancer attitude that this whole thread is here to complain about. "oh the jungler better drop EVERYTHING he is doing to help me!" and the classic "even though i didnt ward for the gank, and not shove when my ward is on cd since im too greedy to buy extra wards, it is the junglers fault i died to the gank. But i should NEVER have to protect my jungler who has to keep track of the entire enemy team before walking into a brush because anyone and everyone could be waiting for him the second he walks past his buffs"
darkmatchwaldo2 votesyou're telling me you would rather do SCUTTLE than help a team mate who's getting ganked where you have a clearly amazing countergank opportunity?
Spaceman5pff1 votesyou're telling me you would rather do SCUTTLE than help a team mate who's getting ganked where you have a clearly amazing countergank opportunity?
Two sides of the same coin, you don't want to miss a wave to take a chance at saving the jg and netting a kill. I don't want to give that 100Hp scuttle i'm working on to that mid that's just across the brush from it, only for a CHANCE at saving you and netting any kills.
darkmatchwaldo1 votesWell yeah, i'll miss a wave at the chance of saving the jg and netting a kill. That's gonna get me on the jungler's good side, i always aim to be on my junglers good side. I can make up that cs, a wave isn't gonna make a huge difference at the level i play on.
I'll also give up the 100hp scuttle im working on for a chance at saving and netting kills. 9/10 the mid laner is in his own little world and doesn't even know you're working on scuttle anyways. I always aim to build trust between my laners and I as early as possible.
Dengeden2 votesOr maybe, you'd get with the times and just surrender that part of the jungle... Every camp is worth the same amount of gold and EXP now, there's no reason not to give one up and go for the next one.
I know that junglers are generally oblivious to what minions do but I'm not gonna abandon my lane just to hold your hand.
LeeDark4 votesThen we're not abandoning our jungle farm to hold yours.
darkmatchwaldo1 voteslmao you invade my red and force me off? fine, i'll just go do yours instead.
Dengeden1 votesExactly, no need for the laners to waste their time.
Droogzy1 votesSo much this, especially since its a free kill for god sakes!
I don't care if I die, if you at least make an attempt, but when I'm getting killed at my damn wolves and you're just going lalalalala in the lane, annoys the hell out of me, especially when the same laner complains about no ganks.
Uhh how about I complain about the lack of any help or collapse onto the invading?
This is a draft pick issue i think, granted someone has to pick first but its not worth sinking a solo lanes exp to come for a potential kill or worse burning ults/sums for an assist where that same jungler stays out of the fight while you 100-10% and he comes in then. I dont know what happens in high elo games but in the average mans elo the junglers afk farm or hover for kills when they see a HUGE skill difference between you and your laner, they only seem interested when it suits their personal interest. They do not want to know if its an even lane or you are at a disadvantage, up against heimer np hes on your tower for 20 mins.
There are too many times have I doubled/tripled my opponents cs and am actively freezing him out of exp what does my jungler do he keeps walking into the lane sapping EXP or just sits in the brush for 3 waves!!!! or shoves the lane forcing a reset and giving him exp again and taking mine lowering my lvl/exp lead over him.
I cannot tell you the last time a jungler has turned a lane round for me I honestly treat my games as i have no jungler and will only come to an invade if im confident/fed enough to kill the invader + anyone else who isnt currently visible on the map by myself and no i wont pick up the kill if it forces me to b early missing more waves.
I think I speak for a lot of other junglers as well, we sure as all hell aren't ganking a heimer, just like you think junglers are potatoes, we think our mid laners are potatoes as well that don't know how to deal with ganking a heimer.
(just a little quipping :p)
Spaceman5pff1 votesAs a jungle main, my GENERAL gank priority list is as such:
-wielding Top laner
-wielding Top lanerMy reasoning: - A TP top can pressure the map with a much faster reaction than myself, and can assist me in doing so. Either way, Better with a lead. - Botlane snowballs super hard as you get 2 champs ahead. Also, Dragon Control. - Ignite tops can snowball very hard, as a lead + Ignite pressure is 3x more powerful with the extra lane length giving their enemy less safe space from behind - My mid can potentially snowball with ganks, and their ability to help with drakes / invade collapse is nice. - A top laner with a lead but no TP or Ignite is just not as powerful as any of the above.
I APPRECIATE FEEDBACK ON THIS (BTW i like to get heimer a lead if he is vs low waveclear / low safe waveclear so he can just permashove and 1v2 ganks)
Droogzy2 votesAs a jungle main, my GENERAL gank priority list is as such:
- Botlane.
- Mid
- Top running some other crap {{summoner:2}} for a summoner
My reasoning: - A TP top can pressure the map with a much faster reaction than myself, and can assist me in doing so. Either way, Better with a lead. - Botlane snowballs super hard as you get 2 champs ahead. Also, Dragon Control. - Ignite tops can snowball very hard, as a lead + Ignite pressure is 3x more powerful with the extra lane length giving their enemy less safe space from behind - My mid can potentially snowball with ganks, and their ability to help with drakes / invade collapse is nice. - A top laner with a lead but no TP or Ignite is just not as powerful as any of the above.
I APPRECIATE FEEDBACK ON THIS (BTW i like to get heimer a lead if he is vs low waveclear / low safe waveclear so he can just permashove and 1v2 ganks)
Personally my list isn't set in stone as yours is, for me its about who is in each lane. If we look at without any context for who is in the lane, my priority goes: Bottom lane then mid or top lane (both equal priorities.). Bottom lane largely because if you gank successfully, you suddenly have 3 players ahead in gold as oppose to the solo laners with just 2 people.
But that being said, its not so black and white.
Case in point:
If I have a Miss Fortune in bottom lane, but an Irelia in the top lane, chances are my top priority is going to be ganking for the Irelia since that means she can get ahead then carry the rest of team.
Or if I have a mid Kat, I'll be camping the mid lane to get her snowballing.
Or on the flipside, if I see the enemy team has a Vayne or a Kalista or an AD Carry that can easily get out of control if left unchecked, then I'll shift my priority to keep them down.
For me the rule of thumb is the lane with the highest snowball potential is priority lane, whether its on my team or their team.
Zhugan1 votesQuestion: If the laner is supposed to not count on ganks because the jungler has other things to do, and the jungle is 100% the junglers and other people have to ask for buffs (even mid with blue and adc with red), then shouldn't the jungler have to deal with their invades on their own?
I'm just asking because I've seen quite a few junglers say that laners should never count on ganks, so why should you count on help if you're invaded?
Spaceman5pff2 votesQuestion: If the laner is supposed to not count on ganks because the jungler has other things to do, and the jungle is 100% the junglers and other people have to ask for buffs (even mid with blue and adc with red), then shouldn't the jungler have to deal with their invades on their own?
I'm just asking because I've seen quite a few junglers say that laners should never count on ganks, so why should you count on help if you're invaded? As a jungler, I never do EXPECT my lanes to come help me. I always go to my first buff thinking about the enemy jg champ, where they might come from, with what skills leveled? where can i run? which brush should i ward? should i come back for red and go krug -> raptor -> scuttle -> red just to be extra safe?
however when: [1:02] xHide_on_Bongx (LeBlanc): Yo Rengar, I need a gank mid before Diana gets to lv 6 [1:18] Spaceman5pff (Rengar): OK man dont push too hard i'll try to set something up after my first base trip
Enemy Shyvana invades me at 1st buff and I almost escape thru raptor brush before dying. meanwhile Mid is neutral push as it has been maybe one minute from jg spawns.
THIS CAN GO MANY WAYS In my head, our cleverly named friend, LeBlanc, established a 'help me help you' relationship with her super sexy jungler, Rengar, with this request. Forgive me if I am wrong. Normally Leblanc wouldn't say anything here, like a good person, but with a name like her's, we know that isnt the case. INB4 worst case scenario: [2:41] KawaiiPotato69 (Shyvana) has slain Spaceman5pff (Rengar) for First Blood! [2:54} xHide_on_Bongx (LeBlanc): smfh Rango died already [Note: not super toxic, probably wouldn't reply to that.}
Later....
[8:14] TheReal_BonScott (Diana) Has slain xHide_on_Bongx (LeBlanc) [8:25] (All) xHide_on_Bongx (Leblanc): Fuck this trash Rengar. 0 gank mid an died to shyv. report him for troll
In this situation, yes, I could have ganked diana. Or maybe I would smite my raptors and clear a ward on my way there revealing myself. Also in this situation, Leblanc could've roamed down to help with that early invade. Or maybe Diana shoved her in.
All i know is, when i jungle, i plan ahead. Which means i see your lane. I see if you are pushed in or not. And while I cant play the game for you, I can decide if you are worth my time ganking or if i will take my tools elsewhere. Maybe I wont say anything, but you jungler is watching. they always are. maybe they aren't watching you though, but hey mid isn't the center of the universe, right?
