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The Absolute most annoying part of Shaco and Teemo

La Bello··5 votes·1,100 views

Even if you see them place the Trap there is no way to really disarm it without items.

At least Jhin traps you can purposely activate and waddle off before it explodes to clear your lane with no real repercussions . With both Teemo and Shaco your only real options are to facetank it to get rid of it OR bite the bullet and spend untold amounts of gold on detectionitem 205575gitem 3147 2900gitem 3341 item 3364 (which in nearly all cases is still a net loss because JiB's are worth 10Gold ea).

Im surprised nobody ever talks about it. and I think should the champions ever get a GU or VGU those abilities should be updated to be more fair and counterplay-able like Jhin Traps.

I know you can "just pink it or take Oracles/Sweeper" but practically forcing your opponent to spend gold time and time again on pinks is actually really impactful because it can delay major items or something and on the other hand having to take Sweeper/Trinket and giving up your 1~2 wards makes you extremely susceptible to ganks . Dealing with these traps feels like a lose-lose on the receiving end no matter how you look at it..

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10 Comments

OurLestrade3 votes

It is pretty aggravating having entire areas locked off with no real counterplay besides waiting for five minutes or taking the bait. It's not even a trap at that point.

Unreformed Shaco3 votes

item 3364 is free.

Pretty sure Draven Axes or Hecarim Charges are annoying too, but again; can't counter without items.

Teemo can have lots down, so red trinket doesnt really do a whole lot, but Shaco is limited to 5, and unless he is sitting around for 20 seconds, there isn't going to be more than 1 at any given location.

On the other hand, you gaining your free item that reveals and activates traps, completely invalidates one of the core skills of Shaco's kit.

La Bello1 votes

yeah I meantioned that argument in the post above.

1.that item does not have a 100% uptime unlike old Oracle lens 2.You dont get to take sight trinket/wards if you go that thus increasing your gankability 3.Sweeper can only be obtained at level 9 which means you have to deal with the memes until then

Unreformed Shaco1 votes

{quoted}

yeah I meantioned that argument in the post above.

1.that item does not have a 100% uptime unlike old Oracle lens

You mean it has counterplay? Oracles used to completely invalidate certain champs. It's about knowledge. If you expect a box around, pop it your trinket. If not, continue walking.

2.You dont get to take sight trinket/wards if you go that thus increasing your gankability

Damn, you have to sacrifice something to counter a champs ability? I'd gladly trade my ward if it meant Draven will no longer hit me for double damage.

3.Sweeper can only be obtained at level 9 which means you have to deal with the memes for at least 3 more levels.

Regular sweeper does the same thing, you just have to target the desired area i.e. where the trap is.

Dokkaebi2 votes

Those are old champs with outdated mechanics. They are on the VGU candidate line.

ChiTenshi1 votes

Stealth is a concept that's hard to balance.

If there's little-no way of detecting a unit with stealth, the status is overpowered. If there are too many ways of detecting a unit with stealth, the status is underpowered.

Stealthed traps that do well with balance are those that provide a sensible visual or requirement to deal damage (Jhin and Nidalee's Traps)

Done251 votes

Don't forget that Teemo's shrooms are his ult, and he on has one other damage spell on his Q. (Not counting the passive damage on E.)

They just need to destroy nerf the interaction between his shrooms and Liandry's Torment.

Kr1sys1 votes

No one talks about it because their ults or parts of their kits are also completely negated by those items you speak of.

Other champions, you build to bolster defenses to mitigate opposing kits, but not negate them. Trinket is free, ward is 75g. It's a small price to negate someone's kit.

Devilreaper XIII1 votes

wtf is this a real complaint??? first rito should remove item 3187 and item 3364 and item 2047 and camp monsters can give true sight and controll wards and vision plants how much counter play do you want against them O.o ????

The Last Ballad1 votes

Oh noooo, you actually have to **buy **control wards? You _poor _ thing, you poor, poor thing.

You have to play the vision game like everyone else. Not to mention, item 3364 is FREE. Suck it up.

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