Hey junglers, can u stop losing my lane for me?

PhearBunny·Jul 23, 2018·43 votes·11,851 views

Please stop trying to solo dive my enemy laner, and dying under their turret. Please react when im trying to help you deal with a enemy jungler encroaching on your territory, your inaction makes me lose CS/exp for nothing. If I danger ping you, spam my 6% mana, and type "don't". And you gank anyways, youre feeding. If I ping that you are being trailed by mid lane, as you come top to gank, don't follow through with the gank. Get the hell out, we aren't going to win 2v3, youre feeding. Why are all the jungle mains absolute trash all of a sudden? Its not even a hard role, this game is old as heck, by now you should have a general understanding of what you can and cannot fight, and what you should and should not contest.

32 Comments

Salvor HardınJul 23, 201825 votes

Hey laners, can u stop feeding the enemy jungler pls?

If the enemy jungle doesn't stop ganking you over, you should consider playing passive and not pushing without vision.

PhearBunnyJul 23, 20188 votes

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Hey laners, can u stop feeding the enemy jungler pls?

If the enemy jungle doesn't stop ganking you over, you should consider playing passive and not pushing without vision.

There is a difference, getting dove on by divers under a tower is often times a unavoidable death. Its something your teams jungler should be aware of- example Theres a lvl 9 Nasus pushing onto the tower, enemy jungler is a Udyr. You know there is a 100% chance your top laner is about to get dove on. So you should do one of two things, go take drag+entire bot side jungle or tower and let the top laner unavoidably die. or, depending on what champ you are, go help your top laner survive on his turret.

Top lanes should be stalemates, effected by jungle presence. When your jungler is having a negative impact on the lane, that is a terrible thing. When the enemy jungler is having a positive impact for his laner, hes doing the right thing.

BoringLittleFJul 23, 20182 votes

There is a difference, getting dove on by divers under a tower is often times a unavoidable death.

I do love it when I'm the only one with 0 deaths in my team and just when I try to exhaust my enemy lane staying safely under the turret, a 5/0/7 enemy jungler casually walks up to me under my turret inviting enemy top to join in the killing fiesta while our jungler is running around with 0/5/0 and farming...

AugustHeatHazeJul 24, 20181 votes

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There is a difference, getting dove on by divers under a tower is often times a unavoidable death. Its something your teams jungler should be aware of- example Theres a lvl 9 Nasus pushing onto the tower, enemy jungler is a Udyr. You know there is a 100% chance your top laner is about to get dove on. So you should do one of two things, go take drag+entire bot side jungle or tower and let the top laner unavoidably die. or, depending on what champ you are, go help your top laner survive on his turret.

Top lanes should be stalemates, effected by jungle presence. When your jungler is having a negative impact on the lane, that is a terrible thing. When the enemy jungler is having a positive impact for his laner, hes doing the right thing.

it IS avoidable but it means abandoning your turret so its still pretty horrible

HügöJul 23, 20183 votes

Funny that you get downvoted. It is jsut a sign that you hit a vulnerable spot.

Salvor HardınJul 23, 201813 votes

What I don't understand is why people upvotes this type of "generic" post.

Like: "(some role) : "Stop doing X things" Which are generic things that can happen in 1 or 2 games.

I'm sure there are better contents to discuss or upvote.

BigBellBruteJul 23, 20181 votes

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Hey laners, can u stop feeding the enemy jungler pls?

If the enemy jungle doesn't stop ganking you over, you should consider playing passive and not pushing without vision.

Yeah laners. Don't you know it's better to get 4 man dove and lose your tower and your life than to push and just lose your life?

Dream HighJul 24, 20181 votes

How passive? There's a point early in the game where you get tower dove, so you would have your laner not lane instead of counter ganking or doing the same to another lane?

Vlada CutJul 23, 201824 votes

And stop ganking me when the enemy shoves 3 minion waves on my lane. I am so not going to take minion aggro when I have less than 50% hp. Or if there's no aggro but my spells are still on cd after trading.

LeftyRaydyJul 23, 20187 votes

Oh this is my favorite, and the fact that you will probably not get your enemy lane and you will lose 50% of the cs that hit the tower.

Vlada CutJul 23, 20182 votes

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Oh this is my favorite, and the fact that you will probably not get your enemy lane and you will lose 50% of the cs that hit the tower.

No. You'd instead lose 50% hp from annoying minion aggro.

Arcane Blue BoiJul 24, 20181 votes

never has something spoke to me on such spiritual level than this comment

Vlada CutJul 24, 20181 votes

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never has something spoke to me on such spiritual level than this comment

Awh, ty! Just sharing my personal experience with inexperienced junglers, that's all. :V

PaffWasTakenJul 23, 20187 votes

My theory is that the jungle mains were used to be able to kill everyone with the 2 minutes ganks without any consequences. Now that they can't anymore, they are still trying, but very poorly.

SayoriIsBigSadJul 23, 20187 votes

Can you like not stand in my lane to leach 3 minions worth of xp and call it a "gank?"

Neo CyrusJul 23, 20188 votes

Then smite the canon minion as they walk by.

Unstoppable MonkJul 24, 20181 votes

smiting cannon minions is a guilty pleasure enjoyed best with the tears of a laner that asked for a gank but pushed the lane anyway

Dream HighJul 24, 20182 votes

Then you get all in'd at bya lvl 6 Zed when you're lvl 5 because your jungler was "ganking".

OtterlyLostJul 23, 20186 votes

And dont yell at me for not abandoning a two wave stack of minions at my turret to help you on river. You should be able to see I can't leave lane without gimping myself and that their lane can; sometimes things have to be contested or given up due to circumstances.

AseraanJul 23, 20184 votes

Please could u fking decide already? I get flamed for going in now too? Its not enough i get blamed for you losing ur own lane? its not enough i get blamed for not ganking ur lane every second? Its not enough i cant think more reason why you guys fking blaming the jugnlers for everything? Seriusly 1 from 5 4 other guy in the game Why i never see this:

My jugnler keeps blaming me for dying over scutle im top btw LIKE NEVER or this Im palying ap brand supp died 16 times in 15 min and they are blaming me ye maybe that happens sometimes dunno why dont die 16 times maybe NAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH always the jugnle its a fking comedy seriusly

PhearBunnyJul 23, 20182 votes

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Please could u fking decide already? I get flamed for going in now too? Its not enough i get blamed for you losing ur own lane? its not enough i get blamed for not ganking ur lane every second? Its not enough i cant think more reason why you guys fking blaming the jugnlers for everything? Seriusly 1 from 5 4 other guy in the game Why i never see this:

My jugnler keeps blaming me for dying over scutle im top btw LIKE NEVER or this Im palying ap brand supp died 16 times in 15 min and they are blaming me ye maybe that happens sometimes dunno why dont die 16 times maybe NAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH always the jugnle its a fking comedy seriusly

walking into a lane and feeding is the junglers fault. Not ganking isn't your fault. Maybe you cant because youre being pressured by the enemy jungler. Maybe youre doing other things elsewhere. Not ganking is fine. Commiting suicide and snowballing a enemy lane is not okay.

AseraanJul 23, 20181 votes

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walking into a lane and feeding is the junglers fault. Not ganking isn't your fault. Maybe you cant because youre being pressured by the enemy jungler. Maybe youre doing other things elsewhere. Not ganking is fine. Commiting suicide and snowballing a enemy lane is not okay.

Im not doing that thats the point.

AugustHeatHazeJul 24, 20184 votes

i've started saying "please don't gank me" at the beginning of the game if im in the toplane because 60% of the time they just get killed or waste thier time and fall even farther behind...

i've had a warwick ? ping me after he dived a full health enemy under thier tower... like... wtf

Zed geniusJul 23, 20182 votes

Junglers that do stuff like that, I know I am alive, you don't need to let me know 15 times after you run down my lane...

Arcane Blue BoiJul 24, 20182 votes

This. I've got to a point where i need to say ''Pls dont gank'' instead of calling for help. This shouldnt be a thing...

DlXONJul 23, 20181 votes

Wish you could just say a simple sentence on voice com, but you have to stop,type, and ping..

RanmaruJul 23, 20181 votes

or have the jungler try to fight my laners who is at 50% health while there at 75% hp and run in a huge wave miss there skill shot and die

SanKakUJul 23, 20181 votes

I have been filling on purpose most of the time for a long while now. Before Pyke's release, chance of getting support was 95 percent or so. Jungle was the next most often spot I got, followed by bottom. I can go a whole month without getting filled middle. After Pyke's release, until very recently, have been getting jungle/bottom 95 percent of the time instead of support. Not sure what the rate is now, but bottom and jungle remain to this moment commonly filled slots. IOW, your jungle allies are probably autofilled. And if they're not, they might have got tired of filling jungle and started trying to learn it.

ParoeJul 24, 20182 votes

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I have been filling on purpose most of the time for a long while now. Before Pyke's release, chance of getting support was 95 percent or so. Jungle was the next most often spot I got, followed by bottom. I can go a whole month without getting filled middle. After Pyke's release, until very recently, have been getting jungle/bottom 95 percent of the time instead of support. Not sure what the rate is now, but bottom and jungle remain to this moment commonly filled slots. IOW, your jungle allies are probably autofilled. And if they're not, they might have got tired of filling jungle and started trying to learn it.

Ive noticed that too. Jungle/top and i get jungle 95% of the time. The only time i dont is when im actually autofilled - to mid or bot.

@thread When a jungler has an average clear speed they actually run OUT of farm and need to gank or waste time. Junglers need to tax because riot purposefully XP starves them. Junglers need to gank because theyre XP starved. When a jungler taxes you it isnt because theyre greedy, its because they actually need the XP just to stay par.

What you people need to realize is that if you cant win your lane without jungle assistance, you need to improve. It is not, under any circumstance, the junglers job to win your lane for you. If youre complaining about the enemy ganking you a lot - its still ON YOU 100% because youre the one in an unfavorable position.

If your allied jungler isnt ganking you theres probably a reason such as wave position or the enemy laner might just not be very gankable. Its very hard to gank Jayce, Xayah, Zed, Yorick, fizz, or leblanc for example.

Bears Dont CareJul 23, 20181 votes

More than likely they are trying to learn. I willsay, however, that if you are hoping for your jungler to help deal with a crashing wave it is very unlikely to happen with the monster hunter debuff.

Which is sad since it is lost gold.

crispy66Jul 24, 20181 votes

The most iconic fuck you move the junglers pull is shoving your lane towards the enemy when you're walking back to lane, so the enemy gains a level on you

SalsonJul 24, 20181 votes

Why are all the jungle mains absolute trash all of a sudden?

While you can agree and disagree with Jungle changes from 8.10, one thing is certain. Jungle is hell of a lot harder to play now. And lot of low level people are lost after the changes.